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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Yeh, it's totally a one-party state. That's why Obama couldn't get his ideal health care program passed!
    the democrats held a filibuster-proof majority prior to the election of brown in mass.

    The republicans had nothing to do with the stagnation of healthcare.
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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

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    you guys need to make up your minds. why can't private industry take over?

    NASA assumed the role of military aerospace R&D.

    That's not a private industry matter.

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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    I think this is a sensible move given the circumstances. The US has more important things to worry about right now than space programs. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for space research and everything, but its a luxury for when you have lots of money, not when you're trying to reign in spending!
    The "luxuries" the Messiah wrongly insists on perpetuation are the socialist money wasting ponzi schemes that are bankrupting the nation.

    If the Messiah wanted to save money, how about if he cancelled the "Stimulus Porkulus" package He insisted on but which hasn't worked?

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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    the democrats held a filibuster-proof majority prior to the election of brown in mass.

    The republicans had nothing to do with the stagnation of healthcare.
    Well they put the pressure on, and it was more the Blue Dog Democrats that were the problem.
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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post


    He's not cutting NASA's budget at all. In fact, it's being increased.

    I guess there's no reading with "you" people.
    What?.......... cut the budget on research of the Global Warming fraud?

    Then how else would he go about destroying our economy faster than he is now?… it’s essential that he up the budget as much as possible, he only has 3 more years.... times a wastin'!!!
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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Maybe, but there's no guarantee that there will be useful technological spin-offs from this particular mission. It's not like "Ok guys, on this mission we're going to get X number of civilian spin-offs and other advancements." Sure they probably would make advancements in the space flight/moon landing programs because the Shuttles are on their last legs so they'd probably have to design new ships, but aside from that...
    So you can't chart the spinoffs. So what?

    It's far more than just a "mission." It's the end of all NASA manned space programs once the Shuttle is retired this year.

    I suppose, though, trying to explain this to you is like trying to explain to my grandmother why this "Internet" thing is a big deal. She never used it, it was outside her experience, and whether or not it was there didn't affect her in any noticeable way. If the whole thing had been folded up, she'd have shrugged. Such is the same principle in play here.
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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    So you can't chart the spinoffs. So what?

    It's far more than just a "mission." It's the end of all NASA manned space programs once the Shuttle is retired this year.
    Yeah, well it sucks but that's the price you pay for your countries' lack of fiscal conservatism.

    I suppose, though, trying to explain this to you is like trying to explain to my grandmother why this "Internet" thing is a big deal. She never used it, it was outside her experience, and whether or not it was there didn't affect her in any noticeable way. If the whole thing had been folded up, she'd have shrugged. Such is the same principle in play here.
    Yeah, and you know soo much more about it.
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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Yeah, well it sucks but that's the price you pay for your countries' lack of fiscal conservatism.
    How's that, considering that no money is being saved here? That NASA's budget is being increased, not decreased? You're having a great deal of trouble comprehending that point. This has nothing, not one thing, to do with financial necessities. This is purely a policy decision by Obama.

    But, you have your preferred narrative in mind, and you're sticking to it. That's been plainly obvious throughout.



    Yeah, and you know soo much more about it.
    Actually, it's pretty apparent that I do -- about the history of NASA, the benefits derived from it, the amount of money it's cost over the years . . . and more importantly to this particular point, what it's like to be a citizen of a space-pioneering country.
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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    How's that, considering that no money is being saved here? That NASA's budget is being increased, not decreased? You're having a great deal of trouble comprehending that point. This has nothing, not one thing, to do with financial necessities. This is purely a policy decision by Obama.

    But, you have your preferred narrative in mind, and you're sticking to it. That's been plainly obvious throughout.
    I have pointed out in another post, that a manned Moon mission would likely greatly exceed NASAs current budget, especially if they have to design an entirely new generation of Shuttles. The other plan in the offing, further down the road was to send men to Mars; that's even more money.

    Please don't play me for the fool, because I'm not one.
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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    I have pointed out in another post, that a manned Moon mission would likely greatly exceed NASAs current budget
    You made that claim, yes, but it was immediately countered (the cost of the mission was already figured into the budget), and that imaginary "extra cost" doesn't even matter, because the NASA budget is being increased. Not that you have any clue what it'll cost, what NASA's budget actually is, to make any determinations of how much it would "exceed" anything.

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    especially if they have to design an entirely new generation of Shuttles.
    only shows the cluelessness with which you're conducting this train wreck of an argument. There is no plan, none at all, in this mission to "design an entirely new generation of Shuttles." It's not part of the spec, it's not part of the plan, it wouldn't make any sense given the mission parameters anyway, and this simply shows you know nothing about Project Constellation or any plans further along.

    You have no idea what you're talking about, at all.

    And before your next objection, Constellation/Ares is already designed, already largely built, and in the actual testing phases.


    The other plan in the offing, further down the road was to send men to Mars; that's even more money.
    That has nothing to do with now, nor this decision.


    Please don't play me for the fool, because I'm not one.
    I don't need to; you're demonstrating it well enough on your own.
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