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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The future of mankind is in space exploration and exploitation.
    To a degree I would agree with you here. However, there is no specific time-frame in which that has to happen. Also, space exploitation is likely to be developed by private industry anyways, if there is enough profit to be gleaned from it. We already see the beginnings of this with companies like Virgin Galactic. There's no reason that NASA necessarily has to be involved at this point in time.

    The benefits society has incurred from the technological spin-off alone has been worth the investment in our destiny to reach the stars.
    Out of curiosity, can you give examples of tech. spin-offs that have come about from space exploration specifically? I''m aware that there have been civilian spin-offs from the military-industrial complex (like the internet), but I'm not aware of any from space exploration.

    Entitlement programs, on the other hand, have served little other purpose than as a public feeding trough for voters and bureaucrats. Nearly all of them are financially unsustainable, but Obama has nothing to say about that.
    Your first sentence is debatable. As to your second, I don't know about the finances of the American social programs, so I can't speak to that.
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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Out of curiosity, can you give examples of tech. spin-offs that have come about from space exploration specifically? I''m aware that there have been civilian spin-offs from the military-industrial complex (like the internet), but I'm not aware of any from space exploration.
    Many modern materials were developed for it. The personal computer is derived from the on-board computers from the Apollo program. Etc.
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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Many modern materials were developed for it. The personal computer is derived from the on-board computers from the Apollo program. Etc.
    That's cool, I didn't know that. Thanks!
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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    To a degree I would agree with you here. However, there is no specific time-frame in which that has to happen.
    The Earth can only sustain so many people. Space exploration is the only permanent solution that doesn't involve a world government chemically castrating the populace by slipping something in their vaccines. I mean, can you think of a better solution to overpopulation?

    Also, space exploitation is likely to be developed by private industry anyways, if there is enough profit to be gleaned from it.
    The only reason private space exploration is even commercially viable is because NASA already did all the basic research. Sometimes it's better for an agency NOT to have a profit motive. No private company would've matched the start-up costs that NASA invested into their programs.

    We already see the beginnings of this with companies like Virgin Galactic. There's no reason that NASA necessarily has to be involved at this point in time.


    Yea. Forget about space NASA. We need you to concentrate on climate change instead...

    I don't know whether to cry or puke.

    Out of curiosity, can you give examples of tech. spin-offs that have come about from space exploration specifically? I''m aware that there have been civilian spin-offs from the military-industrial complex (like the internet), but I'm not aware of any from space exploration.
    Space Spin-offs: Technology Derived from the Space Program | eThemes | eMINTS

    Your first sentence is debatable.
    I think the benefit has been marginal, while the damage has been severe and long-lasting.

    As to your second, I don't know about the finances of the American social programs, so I can't speak to that.
    They're in terrible shape. Most of the big ones are facing insolvency.

    Report Warns of Insolvency for Social Security, Medicare - washingtonpost.com

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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

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    I say that NASA should take the money dedicated for "climate-change research," invent a special social security-style "lockbox," and then spend it on actual space programs. It can't cost too much money just to make up a bunch of fake data anyway.
    Why don't they invent a giant vacuum cleaner and suck the global warming into outer space.
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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The Earth can only sustain so many people. Space exploration is the only permanent solution that doesn't involve a world government chemically castrating the populace by slipping something in their vaccines. I mean, can you think of a better solution to overpopulation
    The colonization of space on a permanent basis is centuries away! Meanwhile the most we might have in the near term might be lightly manned mining bases, again private industry.

    Meanwhile we are thoroughly destroying the planet which I take you would rather abandon than try to save.

    America has lots of time to rebuild it's space program later if it so wishes, and it wouldn't be in this predicament in the first place if certain previous Presidencies hadn't started needless wars and gotten America into massive debt.
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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    The colonization of space on a permanent basis is centuries away! Meanwhile the most we might have in the near term might be lightly manned mining bases, again private industry.

    Meanwhile we are thoroughly destroying the planet which I take you would rather abandon than try to save.

    America has lots of time to rebuild it's space program later if it so wishes, and it wouldn't be in this predicament in the first place if certain previous Presidencies hadn't started needless wars and gotten America into massive debt.
    The American space program has been a pillar of our society. The exploitation of space cannot be fully realized by private interests because not every mission is going to be profitable.

    Only governments have the resources necessary for serious exploration and discovery.

    I don't want to abandon the planet. I want to keep the best parts of it in tact.


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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    America has lots of time to rebuild it's space program later if it so wishes, and it wouldn't be in this predicament in the first place if certain previous Presidencies hadn't started needless wars and gotten America into massive debt.
    You keep saying that, even though it was mathematically proven to you that the "wars" aren't the driver of the "massive debt."

    More seeing what you want to see, I'd say.

    (Neither is the manned space program, by the way.)

    Look, I don't expect a non-American to understand this in quite the same way, but the manned space program has been a point of national pride for 50 years.
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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    you guys need to make up your minds. why can't private industry take over?

    So you'd rather the money to go to "global warming"?
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    Re: Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You keep saying that, even though it was mathematically proven to you that the "wars" aren't the driver of the "massive debt."
    It's common knowledge that the Iraq War was the prime cause of Bush's massive increase of debt/deficit. It might not have been military spending per se, but it was the cost of the war. The US government was posting surpluses in the Clinton era, I believe. It's not like Bush expanded social programs or anything.

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_national_debt]United States public debt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    I admit that Obama is making the debt worse, but Bush dug the initial hole.
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