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White House orders Justice Department to look for other places to hold 9/11 terror tr

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The bumbling, stumbling, fumbling totally floundering neo-Marxist hate America first Community Agitator in Chief gets the door slammed in his face yet again and loses yet another political battle. :lamo
 
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Ramming home once again....

Gitmo=no bumbling
Gitmo=no stumbling
Gitmo=no floundering

It answers every question. Security, facilitation, expandability, multi-functionality, sentences carried out, it's an absolute stroke of genius.
 
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Erod said:
Obama has painted himself into a corner.

So what lucky city gets to host the terrorist trials?

This whole thing has exposed without a doubt Obama's view on the war on terror.
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Another important measure we have developed in our overall strategy is applying the rule of law to terrorists. Terrorists are criminals. They commit criminal actions like murder, kidnapping, and arson, and countries have laws to punish criminals. So a major element of our strategy has been to delegitimize terrorists, to get socieity to see them for what they are–criminals–and to use democracy’s most potent tool, the rule of law against them. -L Paul (Jerry) Bremer - 1 November 1987. Tampa Committee on Foreign Relations.
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Ronald Reagan appointed Bremer as Ambassador to the Netherlands in 1983 and Coordinator for Counterterrorism.

You're not going to claim your precious Ronny was wrong are you?
 
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Charles Martel said:
And why I agree with Erod. We have the military, the voters, many Republican leaders....all telling him this is a catastophic mistake....and he changes his mind cause the NYC Mayor says it's gonna be an inconvenience.

Our President is a circus clown, Gentlemen.
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Or it could be that he respects the Mayor enough to acquiesce. Repub leaders are the clowns. They can't keep their own position straight. Trying terrorists as criminals in federal court was done under Cheney/Bush and they thought it was dandy.
 
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The Prof said:
wow, another huge setback delivered to our dumb doofus by his own party in power

right up there with gitmo, his debt commission, cap and trade, health care...

makes one wonder if his capital gains, his nukes, his offshore oil drilling (LOL!) will experience any more shelf life than this movement of ksm to manhattan

the presidency of empty pronouncements, whispy trial balloons

state of the union comprehensive is coming to be seen as the classic case

completely inept politics---the administration suffers all the political PAIN of this mindless maneuver, all for no GAIN

the president's SURRENDER on this issue invokes the momentous memory of holder's astonishingly amateur testimony before lindsey graham when the addled AG couldn't even answer the undergraduate, pre-law question of PRECEDENT

holder's hurry-hurry to hustle up miranda rights for mutallab is another major component of this political picture of incompetence and loss

difi declared yesterday, probably the determiner

bayh and lincoln wrote mr holder a letter requesting answers---LOL!

we've already seen what that approach yields

maybe the AG should ask alito

the whole thing has exposed without a doubt doofus' view of our war on terror

no wonder massachusetts mauled him
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At least he's only a 1/16 the dumb doofus you hoisted on us all for 8 years. :2wave: If we have to have a corporate shill in the White House, I'll take a lesser doofus any day.
 
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The Prof said:
who cares?

he just told you, rightinnyc cares

he explained very clearly that a ksm trial downtown will turn his and his neighbors' lives upside down

and you thoughtfully come back with, "who cares"

very revealing
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It'll do the same no matter where it's held. So, who cares!
 
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Erod said:
Or......perhaps they stopped numerous terrorist attempts in the process. You and I will never know.
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Or...... perhaps the aliens took those would-be terrorists to the undisclosed location where Cheney puts on his rubber suit and gets his groove on. You and I will never know

Trying them in Manhattan next to their "work" might be the dumbest governmental decision in known history. Makes you wonder where their true allegiances lie, because no mildly educated adult could blunder this so badly.
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Right because no terrorists have ever been tried there before... :doh
 
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NoJingoLingo said:
Ronald Reagan appointed Bremer as Ambassador to the Netherlands in 1983 and Coordinator for Counterterrorism.

You're not going to claim your precious Ronny was wrong are you?
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Setting aside the hilarity of taking the views of one official from the 80's and using that to conclude that all Republicans must either agree or declare Reagan a fraud, you honestly can't think of any ways in which terrorism and its place in our society might have shifted in the past 23 years?

CrusaderRabbit08 said:
It'll do the same no matter where it's held. So, who cares!
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No, the trial will not disrupt millions of lives and cost the same hundreds of millions regardless of where it is held. There are literally thousands of places where it could be held without inconveniencing so many or creating such a huge security risk.
 
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RightinNYC said:
No, the trial will not disrupt millions of lives and cost the same hundreds of millions regardless of where it is held. There are literally thousands of places where it could be held without inconveniencing so many or creating such a huge security risk.
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Are you afraid some super secret ninja terrorist group is going to attack if it's held there?

Handcuffs, armed guards ..what's the problem? These suspects are just people.
 
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RightinNYC said:
Setting aside the hilarity of taking the views of one official from the 80's and using that to conclude that all Republicans must either agree or declare Reagan a fraud, you honestly can't think of any ways in which terrorism and its place in our society might have shifted in the past 23 years?
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Oh yeah, I forgot about the bumper sticker "9/11 changed everything". The only thing it changed was how government was going to bend us over.
 
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CrusaderRabbit08 said:
Who cares! I don't care where they get tried, just as long as there's a trial.
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Why does there even need to be a trial? What legal rationale are you citing as justification for trying a notorious terrorist?
 
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CrusaderRabbit08 said:
Are you afraid some super secret ninja terrorist group is going to attack if it's held there?

Handcuffs, armed guards ..what's the problem? These suspects are just people.
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What are you talking about? Nobody is scared that they're going to break said individuals out or anything like that, the point is that such a trial creates an inviting target for terrorists as well as necessitates vastly increased security. You might think that's hilarious, but those who are much smarter than you or I have looked at the situation and concluded that the costs would be obscene.
 
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NoJingoLingo said:
Oh yeah, I forgot about the bumper sticker "9/11 changed everything". The only thing it changed was how government was going to bend us over.
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Easy for you to say, when you don't have to deal with the circus of a trial in a crowded metropolitan area that suffered the worst terrorist attack in American history. Your lack of sensitivity is astounding.
 
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RightinNYC said:
What are you talking about? Nobody is scared that they're going to break said individuals out or anything like that, the point is that such a trial creates an inviting target for terrorists as well as necessitates vastly increased security. You might think that's hilarious, but those who are much smarter than you or I have looked at the situation and concluded that the costs would be obscene.
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That's because they're paranoid and overdo the security bit as a result.

"Inviting target"? Do you think these terrorists will only attack the city where the trial is held?
 
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CrusaderRabbit08 said:
That's because they're paranoid and overdo the security bit as a result.

"Inviting target"? Do you think these terrorists will only attack the city where the trial is held?
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Obviously, you know much better than lifelong security experts...
 
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CrusaderRabbit08 said:
That's because they're paranoid and overdo the security bit as a result.

"Inviting target"? Do you think these terrorists will only attack the city where the trial is held?
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Whether they're being paranoid or not is irrelevant to the fact that those monies would be spent.
 
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Ethereal said:
Obviously, you know much better than lifelong security experts...
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I'm a bunny rabbit. Of course I do :mrgreen:
 
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CrusaderRabbit08 said:
I'm a bunny rabbit. Of course I do :mrgreen:
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Fair enough. Can't argue with that...:2razz:
 
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RightinNYC said:
Whether they're being paranoid or not is irrelevant to the fact that those monies would be spent.
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A drop in the bucket compared to the trillions we've wasted in Iraq.
 
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CrusaderRabbit08 said:
A drop in the bucket compared to the trillions we've wasted in Iraq.
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Why do you need to compare it to Iraq? Can't we just look at the situation based upon its merits alone?
 
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Ethereal said:
Why do you need to compare it to Iraq? Can't we just look at the situation based upon its merits alone?
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No; because generally, those complaining about the expense of this trial don't have a problem with the expense involved with Iraq.

Bottom line: money is not the issue. It's just an excuse to use against a process they oppose.
 
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CrusaderRabbit08 said:
No; because generally, those complaining about the expense of this trial don't have a problem with the expense involved with Iraq.

Bottom line: money is not the issue. It's just an excuse to use against a process they oppose.
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So, we can't look at the situation based upon its merits alone? We must compare and contrast it to whatever policy best highlights the hypocrisy of some unspecified group of people?

Seems needlessly convoluted...
 
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CrusaderRabbit08 said:
A drop in the bucket compared to the trillions we've wasted in Iraq.
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CrusaderRabbit08 said:
No; because generally, those complaining about the expense of this trial don't have a problem with the expense involved with Iraq.

Bottom line: money is not the issue. It's just an excuse to use against a process they oppose.
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This logic is terribly faulty.

First, regardless of what you think of the merits of the Iraq War, it is indisputable that those expenditures were accompanied by results. In contrast, the expenditure of this $400m would have no different result than if the individuals were tried in military court or even kept indefinitely.

Second, the proposal to declare war on Iraq did not have an alternate proposal that would have yielded identical results for one half or one quarter of the cost. In contrast, these trials could be moved to alternate locations and save a large portion of money without losing one benefit.

Third, the entire idea that because someone supports one particular expenditure they cannot object to another expenditure as wasteful is just asinine on its face.
 
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for whatever reason, obama now admits he was WRONG to try to move ksm to manahattan

he BACKED DOWN, didn't he?

why did obama back down?

this was a huge political defeat for the admin, it was mainstay on all the sunday talks (naturally), and consensus opinion was that obama/holder's misplay on this question really hurt

the trying of ksm in civilian court and the mirandizing of mutallab played a very central role in scott brown's win in massachusetts

it is what it is, a devastating and very embarrassing setback

and it reveals vividly obama's way out-of-the-mainstream views concerning terrorists and terrorism

when's gitmo gonna close?
 
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Ethereal said:
So, we can't look at the situation based upon its merits alone? We must compare and contrast it to whatever policy best highlights the hypocrisy of some unspecified group of people?

Seems needlessly convoluted...
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No problem with that, as long as we leave the expense out of it. I don't want to hear talk about how expensive these trials will be when we've already wasted trillions of dollars on this so-call war on terrorism. Trials are part and parcel with this "war".
 
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