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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    I think the SOTU speech was piss poor at best. Basically, everything he said amounted to running away from problems. It's a mess, and it doesn't seem like we're gonna fix this problem any time soon.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The biggest question that those folks can't answer is, "where's the money come from?" I've yet to hear the big government crowd answer that one.
    Obama's answer is going to be the same as Bush's was: Money grows on trees.
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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Obama's answer is going to be the same as Bush's was: Money grows on trees.
    Silly danarhea, money doesn't grow on trees. It comes out of a printing press.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    littlest SOTU i've ever seen, that's one mighty small agenda

    and 2/3 of that was republican

    ending cap gains, drilling offshore, nukes, clean coal, middle class tax cuts, a few pennies of help for small biz

    he's totally deprioritized health care

    but he's still calling for his debt commission which the senate just killed 2 days ago

    delusional

    he's gonna force our trading partners to comply with their environmental responsibilities

    when? before he meets with the leaders of THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN? or after?

    before copenhagen comes apart? or subsequent?

    he's gonna double our exports in 5 years

    before he cuts the deficit in half or after?

    before unemployment caps at 8%, or must we wait til it's 12?

    his stimulus was an utter failure, so now he's gonna do ANOTHER

    except he sure can't call it "stimulus," now it's a JOBS BILL

    LOL!

    he's gonna have a LOT of trouble getting that thru his OWN senate

    he repeatedly called out the senate, contrasting the contrarians up there with his more coooperative caucus in pelosi's place

    he took on health care, he says, NOT cuz it was popular

    LOL!

    that's sure not what he told us for a year, we were sposed to love it

    stunning admissions

    all the "lobbying and horse trading"

    the "pet projects and political grudges"

    it's "more than a deficit of dollars, it's a deficit of trust"

    we've had some pretty big "political setbacks this year, some of them deserved"

    (no kidding)

    on so many issues, complete denial

    his call for his debt commision, already dead

    his pretty planet with no nukes

    his 2 million jobs created/saved by stimulus

    his reading of MA---"campaign fever" has come early this year

    HE, of all people, bemoans the perpetual campaign

    MA is just "politics" to the tone deaf president

    his spending freeze---pelosi REMAINED SEATED (LOL!)

    the ONLY TIME the palsied speakeress stayed parked

    so many notes off key---less than half his speech was about the economy, he devoted so much time to DADT and hate crimes and what he wants to call "politics"

    ie, HIS AGENDA

    and even when he does discuss the numbers dearest to american hearts, he still doesn't fully get it

    like tuition, for example

    americans are concerned about their kids getting into college, but that's nowhere near as high priority to most of us as it is to him

    health care reform will reduce our deficit he claims (LOL!)---BUT NOT ENOUGH

    wow!

    backwards and accelerating

    "i increased the deficit to prevent a depression, i'm convinced it was the right thing to do"

    but today americans are having to tighten THEIR belts, so i feel i need to COMPLETELY REVERSE COURSE

    this president's got CHUTZPAH, you gotta give him that

    openness---LOL!

    transparency---LOL!

    accountability

    ending the "outsize influence of lobbyists"

    concern for "the women of iran"

    the condemnation of the perpetual campaign

    rewarding CEO's for their failures

    meanwhile, here on earth, geithner got grilled yesterday by a congress grossly angered by all the grease

    and the secrets

    our pivoting populist today RAISES THE DEBT CEILING TWO TRIL

    spending freeze, my ass

    his own party is pulverizing him over the mirandizing of mutallab and the movement of ksm to manhattan (which aint never gonna happen)

    the ny fed telling AIG to keep secrets from the SEC is turning into a major scandal

    presidential polling is always unique

    americans' opinions about their president are VERY personal

    unlike congress, unlike media, unlike issues

    american presidents become extremely FAMILIAR

    ie, almost part of the FAMILY

    AMERICANS ARE VERY RELUCTANT TO DUMP ON THEIR PRESIDENTS

    that's why when a prez gets down into the low 50's he's in big trouble

    last nite's was the WEIRDEST sotu i have ever seen

    also one of the longest, tho certainly not boring

    the guy's got guts, he really sticks it in there

    but it's all politics, his issues were almost microscopic

    and his biggest items leaned much farther right than left

    oh well, party on

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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Obama's answer is going to be the same as Bush's was: Money grows on trees.
    A tax on the wealthy Americans is on its way... probably sometime in early 2011. Exogenous supply shocks are impossible to predict, however barring a major embargo, catastrophe and/or war, higher inflation will push cyclical unemployment far below its highs. The US stimulus has yet to truly circulate, and given time (along with extremely low interest rates) such measures will be quite helpful in aiding a strong recovery.

    If your issue is you do not believe they can "shut down the presses" in time to prevent higher inflation, why?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    unlike congress, unlike media, unlike issues, american presidents become extremely FAMILIAR ie, almost part of the FAMILY. AMERICANS ARE VERY RELUCTANT TO DUMP ON THEIR PRESIDENTS that's why when a prez gets down into the low 50's he's in big trouble. last nite's was the WEIRDEST sotu i have ever seen also one of the longest, tho certainly not boring the guy's got guts, he really sticks it in there but it's all politics, his issues were almost microscopic and his biggest items leaned much farther right than left
    oh well, party on.
    The bold is a very important point. And given the guys clear ability to govern behind the bully pulpit, many of the issues discussed last night will (hopefully ) surface. I like the idea of nuclear power, tax cuts, and a jobs package.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    One doesn't need to see the roots to see which way the tree is pointed.

    No libertarian can support the Messiah's message of huger government, less freedom.
    Well.... Unlike you, i am not an ideologue.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    I didn't read the whole thread but it should be noted that the viewers who were polled were more Democratic than average Americans.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Shhh the right are use to polls adding up to 140+%! Dont confuse the right too much!
    Oh Pete, we know you believe every poll that adds up to 140%.
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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    Obama said some good stuff, some of it even true. But none of it will happen that way. He'll continue to ram UHC, taxes and other liberal programs into the hopper as long as he can.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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