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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ok, 61%. Still a bad number for the Obamacare folks. Not much to brag about there...

    Another not so flattering poll.

    Poll: 67 Percent of Americans Oppose Funding Abortion in Health Care Bill
    The difference though is one is the right number, and one is a made up number that is not even close to reality.
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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

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    The difference though is one is the right number, and one is a made up number that is not even close to reality.
    Ok...and?

    troll much?
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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In a recession? It means fewer purchases.
    Can you piece together why home sales are down? It is rare to have it both ways; near impossible when demand is in a funk.

    So, you advocate starting a global war?
    Not at all. You claimed that government cannot create jobs, and i clearly pointed out a historical reference in which it did. How about when government appropriates money to build a nuclear power center, and then leases it to a private firm when it is complete? Does this create jobs?

    Nope! Sorry.
    Health care inflation is very real....



    You gave us Christmas numbers as proof of recovery? Of course the CCI is going to go up a measely four points in December.
    You are going to use a time series comment as a critique? APDST, you are in no position to do so given your historic record in discussions regarding economics and finance.

    Do you even know what consumer confidence is? Here is the methodology:

    The Index is based on responses to 5 questions included in the survey:

    1. Respondents appraisal of current business conditions.
    2. Respondents expectations regarding business conditions six months hence.
    3. Respondents appraisal of the current employment conditions.
    4. Respondents expectations regarding employment conditions six months hence.
    5. Respondents expectations regarding their total family income six months hence.
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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Why do you bother contemplating my political ideology when you haven't the slightest clue of where it stems?
    Because it's easier to switch the debate to focus on you than it is to focus on the issue that's being discussed?

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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Can you piece together why home sales are down? It is rare to have it both ways; near impossible when demand is in a funk.
    It's not rocket science: nobody has any money and the folks that do aren't spending it.



    Not at all. You claimed that government cannot create jobs, and i clearly pointed out a historical reference in which it did. How about when government appropriates money to build a nuclear power center, and then leases it to a private firm when it is complete? Does this create jobs?
    The government didn't create jobs, in the case of WW2. The war created a demand for manpower. Without a war, how is the demand for manpower going to increase and more importantly, whose going to pay for it?

    Bottom line is, only the private sector can create jobs and wealth.
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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's not rocket science: nobody has any money and the folks that do aren't spending it.
    I am unimpressed by your lack of attention to detail. On purpose, i linked the BBC piece on US home prices and consumer confidence.

    The government didn't create jobs, in the case of WW2. The war created a demand for manpower. Without a war, how is the demand for manpower going to increase and more importantly, whose going to pay for it?
    This part is even worse. Who went to war? The government or the private sector?

    Bottom line is, only the private sector can create jobs and wealth.
    My issue is not the concept, as the private sector is the innovative engine for our economy. The bold highlights it. When monetary velocity decreases, government can help boost demand. I can prove it mathematically if you would like.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Obama has come to the American people in his Hate of the Union Speech with so much B.S. it would be funny if it were not so blatantly counter to what he has done so far. He makes claims to do things that are clearly at odds with his goals. He will continue to do this if he is not shut down by the truth and what he does not what he claims he is doing.

    Obama is without question Anti-American and he uses false claims of patriotism to promote his agenda of Socialism.
    I ask you what has this Socialist/Communist done that makes sense and is in the true interests of America.
    The answer is nothing.

    While watching this propaganda speech I noted that C-Span was careful to show only 99% of the Dems in support of what was said.

    No surprise there. The Dems are in decline because Obama and they will do what ever they can to promote this loser who has no track record of accomplishment in his life, other than the promotion of a socialist agenda in his work as a community organizer. He has supported the take over of industries in the same vane as Hugo Chavez.

    I have never been a big fan of Glenn Beck but it is clear that he gets it right when he points out that Obama and Chavez are on the same game plan.

    There ae some who will claim that Jesus is on the side of the Obama Liberals. But be ware thse people are simply lashing out.

    Obama being a member of the cult of Islam is obligated to do or say what ever he has too to make his point and to do what ever he can to make his point regardless of the truth or the facts of his real agenda.
    Another steaming pant load of I hate him, I hate him, I hate him.
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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post


    This part is even worse. Who went to war? The government or the private sector?
    Where did the manpower come from? Who did the hiring?



    My issue is not the concept, as the private sector is the innovative engine for our economy. The bold highlights it. When monetary velocity decreases, government can help boost demand. I can prove it mathematically if you would like.
    I'd rather you show me one government in history that successfully created wealth, without a private sector. Of course the government can created demand, but not wealth and jobs.
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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The first poll after the SOTU shows high approval in pretty much all counts, except faith that he can implement his vision.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_SOTU_012710.pdf

    I am curious about the results of the rest of the polls but it looks like they haven't been published yet.
    IMO -- President Obama is finally making a move toward the center. Because of the Democratic majority in congress, he became complacent about getting the legislative initiatives he wanted. Too many of them (on both sides) are perpetually running for office.

    This year, there were many more instances of the Republicans joining the Democrats in applause support, especially on the nuclear energy and off-shore drilling.

    Clean and safe nuclear energy would solve many problems, but it could potentially upend the coal and natural gas industries. Senators in those states will fight new nuclear plants tooth and nail. How do we transition to more efficient energy without putting a million people out of work?

    The notion of eliminating capital gains taxes on 'small business' investments-- I'd like to hear more about exactly how that will work. Mutual funds will have to look for small businesses wanting to expand (hopefully hire on more people)...

    Obama needs to be much more aggressive in seeking allies in the GOP. Find the common ground, a pragmatic center, and work from there. The Keynesian sandbags stopped a total collapse -- but the private sector has to now take the lead in rebuilding.

    Bank regs -- what is so backwards about people refusing to accept this is we had nearly fifty years of regular and steady growth under depression era regulations. Does anybody listen to Elizabeth Warren??

    Overall, there were some good ideas -- but let's see how they get implemented in an election year.

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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Where did the manpower come from? Who did the hiring?
    Governments (especially our government) do not operate under the premise of the "firm". Let me help you out a bit....

    The theory of the firm consists of a number of economic theories which describe the nature of the firm, company, or corporation, including its existence, its behaviour, and its relationship with the market.
    [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_the_firm"]source[/ame]

    Its never too late to learn something new

    Now, with that said, how does your comment negate anything i have stated?

    I'd rather you show me one government in history that successfully created wealth, without a private sector. Of course the government can created demand, but not wealth and jobs.
    False dichotomy. I can ask you to show me what private sector has created wealth without the government. But doing so makes absolutely no sense. Demand creates wealth and jobs APDST....
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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