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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, you advocate starting a global war?
    I think it would also be appropriate to ask what happened to private sector employment during World War 2. A libertarian would know that the government can't create jobs out of fairy dust- they can take from one party and give to another, and the process is much less efficient than the private market.
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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    Quote Originally Posted by gopman View Post
    Well the last one worked perfectly. $800B of political patronage was a dream come true for Obama. Forget about the unemployment rate, it doesn't mean anything, even though 7 million jobs were lost, we actually created 2 million. Why wouldn't we do that again?
    Would it have been worse without the stimulus? I know here some jobs are still here because of the stimulus, not to mention a smaller increase in tuition for students.

    As for the two million number:

    Obama claims 2 million more Americans would be unemployed if not for stimulus



    "I would say that he (Obama) is in the ballpark," Faucher said. "It may be a little high, but not ridiculously high."

    But, he warned, these numbers are all just economic projections.

    "By definition, this is an art, not a science," Faucher said.

    And that's our biggest issue with Obama's definitive claim that if not for the stimulus, 2 million Americans working right now would otherwise be unemployed. It's a projection. Economists can't say for sure what would have happened if the stimulus had not passed; and whether those who got jobs through the stimulus would otherwise be unemployed. And while the number cited by Obama is backed up by the projections from his Council of Economic Advisers, it's on the high side of the projections from the CBO, and significantly higher than projections from several other economic forecasters. And so we rate Obama's claim Half True.

    PolitiFact | Obama claims 2 million more Americans would be unemployed if not for stimulus

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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    Quote Originally Posted by gopman View Post
    I think it would also be appropriate to ask what happened to private sector employment during World War 2. A libertarian would know that the government can't create jobs out of fairy dust- they can take from one party and give to another, and the process is much less efficient than the private market.
    Sorry but what warped form of reality is this?

    First off it was the Government that made the demand for the private sector, not the consumer or the private sector.. unless you are a conspiracy nut that believes that Hitler was a private sector lackey that started a war that killed 10s of millions all so the private sector could earn a buck. It was the Government that funded most of the private sector then because it need arms. The consumer was not in the picture then and only came into the picture in the mid to late 1950s and that TOO was because of Government incentives like sending war veterans to college and the demand to rebuild after the war. Add to that, the fact that it was after the war the whole womens movement seriously got going and that teenagers got more freedom and very importantly... money.

    Secondly, you also took millions of men out of the work force by sending them off to war. So are you advocating a draft that pumps up the US military to WW2 standards? That would solve the unemployment problem, but it would also cost a fortune.

    Thirdly, women did not work in nearly the same amount as they do today. They were in fact "forced" onto the employment market because the men were off to war.. and this was to the reluctance of the highly male dominated private sector. Women wearing pants.. the scandal!

    And finally, the technological advancement since make any comparison impossible. Back then you needed tons of people to build cars, tanks, planes and what not.. now you dont. You have robots and what not that have replaced quite a bit of the human activity that was around back then.
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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    My God how many flavors does Obama Kool Aid come in?

    Liberal are becoming famous for not thinking for themselves but it has gotten out of control when they fall for obvious lies and misstatements by a someone who has done not one good thing in over a year and still blames the laast administration for his failures.

    Obama is an amateur with nothing to show for his waste of money. He saved no jobs and the only employment increases are in Government.

    He wants to tax and spend us into a position where the Cloward and Piven model can work to help promote his Socialist Agenda.

    If you're a proud Liberal supporter of Obama you are un-American who knows nothing about the values this Nation was founded on. Obama is the stupidest, most brainless idiot to ever hold the office and he is well on his way to replacing Jimmy Carter as blackest stain on the office in history. No pun intended.

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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    My God how many flavors does Obama Kool Aid come in?

    Liberal are becoming famous for not thinking for themselves but it has gotten out of control when they fall for obvious lies and misstatements by a someone who has done not one good thing in over a year and still blames the laast administration for his failures.

    Obama is an amateur with nothing to show for his waste of money. He saved no jobs and the only employment increases are in Government.

    He wants to tax and spend us into a position where the Cloward and Piven model can work to help promote his Socialist Agenda.

    If you're a proud Liberal supporter of Obama you are un-American who knows nothing about the values this Nation was founded on. Obama is the stupidest, most brainless idiot to ever hold the office and he is well on his way to replacing Jimmy Carter as blackest stain on the office in history. No pun intended.
    Are you actually responding to anybody?

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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    Quote Originally Posted by gopman View Post
    I think it would also be appropriate to ask what happened to private sector employment during World War 2. A libertarian would know that the government can't create jobs out of fairy dust- they can take from one party and give to another, and the process is much less efficient than the private market.
    The biggest question that those folks can't answer is, "where's the money come from?" I've yet to hear the big government crowd answer that one.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How can a poll showing approval be accurate when Obama promised to push a bill that 80% of the country is opposed to and lied, saying that there's overwhelming evidence that global warming exists? Accurate my ass!
    80 %? Really? Rasmussin says you are way off. Accurate my ass....
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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    Quote Originally Posted by gopman View Post
    Why do you bother calling yourself a libertarian when it's obvious that you are a Democrat?
    Who are you to determine what is a libertarian and what is a democrat?
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    Re: First Poll after SOTU shows very high approval

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    80 %? Really? Rasmussin says you are way off. Accurate my ass....
    Ok, 61%. Still a bad number for the Obamacare folks. Not much to brag about there...

    Another not so flattering poll.

    http://www.lifenews.com/nat5880.html

    Most folks don't want Obamacare...popular my ass.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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