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    Re: Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87

    I only wished he wrote a real historical piece.

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    Re: Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87

    I liked his Peopleís History. When I read it in college history, it was the time I was exposed to the idea of applying critical thought to history. Didnít agree with everything he said, but at least it got me thinking about the topic instead of blindly accepting the rote facts pounded into my skull since elementary school.

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    Re: Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Befuddled_Stoner View Post
    I liked his People’s History. When I read it in college history, it was the time I was exposed to the idea of applying critical thought to history.
    Yeah, the thought was so critical it was spawn by a "history" book without source citations.

    Zinn wrote in a clear manner, which I admired, but he desired to produce a work of propaganda. That's not critical thought, but indoctrination.
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    Re: Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87

    Zinn wrote in a clear manner, which I admired, but he desired to produce a work of propaganda. That's not critical thought, but indoctrination.
    First, everyone is biased.

    Second, most of it came from primary materials and is easily corroborated.

    Third, I don't think calling him a "propagandist" and saying his work is "indoctrination" is valid in an RIP thread.
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    Re: Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    First, everyone is biased.

    Second, most of it came from primary materials and is easily corroborated.

    Third, I don't think calling him a "propagandist" and saying his work is "indoctrination" is valid in an RIP thread.
    "The right-wingers who attacked Howard Zinn's The People Speak can't dispute that the speeches, letters, petitions and songs performed in the film are real. If they are, then why shouldn't people--including young people--hear them?"
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    Might the history channel possibly air the people speak, maybe just once more in the Professor's memory?
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    Re: Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    "The right-wingers who attacked Howard Zinn's The People Speak can't dispute that the speeches, letters, petitions and songs performed in the film are real. If they are, then why shouldn't people--including young people--hear them?"
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    Might the history channel possibly air the people speak, maybe just once more in the Professor's memory?
    Not all right wingers attack Zinn. I am one of those who don't. While I feel that his approach was certainly biased towards his political ideology, A Peoples' History of the United States was factual, telling the story of America, not through fables or blue ribbon commissions, but from the lives of everyday people. Not everybody wants to hear that Columbus, who we celebrate a holiday for, is responsible for the complete extermination of the Arawak indians, or that George Washington died of syphilis, but those events happened.

    I like to believe that America, like almost every other nation in the world, has its own foibles, but part of our history is how we learned from our mistakes, which is part of what has made us so great. There is no need to whitewash history, but to embrace the good, and know the bad, so that we can ensure that the bad never happens again. As the old adage goes, those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. And, of course, in order to learn from history, one must know it.

    Just my 2 cents on this matter. And yes, like him or not, Zinn was a great man. RIP.
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    Re: Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87

    The thing I liked about People's History was that it at least sent a message that the main historical narratives don't cover everyone. There's people who lose and who aren't the bad guys. i don't agree with all of it, but it does give you perspective.
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    Re: Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    Could we also cut back on celebrating the death of a good man just a little bit? Sorry, guess that's a partisan stance.
    He lied and altered history and brain washed countless students, he was not a good man.

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    Re: Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanSpartan View Post
    He lied and altered history and brain washed countless students, he was not a good man.
    Resurrecting a dead thread about a dead guy. You, Sir, are the master necromancer.

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    Re: Howard Zinn, historian who challenged status quo, dies at 87

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    Resurrecting a dead thread about a dead guy. You, Sir, are the master necromancer.

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