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Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

Many people believe he was lying! I think he was duped but, that impression is out there.

BTW, "doing his job" should NEVER have included lying to the American people. Even tho his superiors thought and acted otherwise, all the time.
That would imply he is an idiot, which he is not. I think he might have had doubts, but not so strong as to resign to avoid giving the briefing. I think he backpedalled later for political purposes.
 
I think the problem is that most of the guys in here are not in the military nor have no intention of ever joining so its easy for them to say hell yes, let them serve openly.........If there was a draft or if they had to join the military most of them would be singing a different tune..........Its easy to be so liberal on the issue............no skin off their ass...............

For the record, I'm currently serving on active duty. Here's how I see it:

At the small unit level in the Army, we are anticipating the change in policy. I doubt that it effects us very seriously in our day-to-day operations in CONUS or deployed.

I personally have never known any Soldier to be discharged under DADT. I do think there are gay servicemembers serving now and they know to keep it quiet. Will they "come out" if the policy is overturned? I doubt it, but I could be wrong.

I currently command a 110 man unit (all males); if DADT is done away with, I'll simply inform my troops that the same EO policies that exist now prohibiting racist and sexist remarks also apply to gays. No big deal.

I really don't care either way, but if the Brits and IDF can pull it off, then I doubt it will be that earth-shattering for us. I guess I'll find out soon enough.

I'm going to keep posting this, Navy, until you respond. We are all waiting.
 
I'm going to keep posting this, Navy, until you respond. We are all waiting.



OK here you go......You are not in the Navy...You don't have to go to sea for up to 90 days at a time............It sounds like you are and officer so you probably have your own stateroom and shower......You don't have to undress with your men in close quarters......

Don't be like Disney Dude..........Answer this honestly...Do you think you could be stationed on a ship with all young women and be the only man? Do you think you could spend months at sea with them, sleeping inches away,undressing and showering with them? On a Navy ship that is what happens......

So answer the question, could you go long periods of time in that situation and not make any advances to the women.........I can honestly say I sure as hell couldn't..........

Now I will be waiting for your answer...........
 
Don't be like Disney Dude..........Answer this honestly...Do you think you could be stationed on a ship with all young women and be the only man?

Don't they have women on ships now? Ask them how they do it.

Do you think you could spend months at sea with them, sleeping inches away,undressing and showering with them? On a Navy ship that is what happens......

Yes, and gays do it all the time, now, and everyone knows it.

They said the same thing about blacks, and again about women, and they were wrong then too.
 
Admiral Mullen and General Powell are being good soldiers and sailors.......They are standing behind their Commander in Chief no matter how they really feel.............
 
Admiral Mullen and General Powell are being good soldiers and sailors.......They are standing behind their Commander in Chief no matter how they really feel.............

That's what I first thought...
 
Admiral Mullen and General Powell are being good soldiers and sailors.......They are standing behind their Commander in Chief no matter how they really feel.............

So you're calling them liars?

You really think Powell is doing this, not being active duty or in the government?

Don't you think if they disagreed they would just keep quiet instead of speaking out?

Would you call them liars to their faces?
 
I think that most people believe that Powell was doing his job at the UN.

I lost all respect for Powell when as a Republican he voted for Obama for prez and he even said on one of the talking heads shows, I believe it was Meet the Press he did it because he was Black....I don't care what color a mans skin is, I would vote for him or not vote for him because of his stand on the political issues.........
 
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Admiral Mullen and General Powell are being good soldiers and sailors.......They are standing behind their Commander in Chief no matter how they really feel.............

Why aren't you being a good soldier?
 
Why aren't you being a good soldier?

Hey, great point! Why aren't you going along with your Commander in Chief, Navy Dude? Its your duty.
 
Why aren't you being a good soldier?

He is. He is respecting the decisions of other soldiers to follow orders. In case you were a bit behind, Navy is retired. He hasn't been given any orders in a long time.

Why are you so quick to diminish his honor as a serviceman? It says more about your desperation to win an argument than it does about the point you are trying to make. Just sayin'.
 
That's what I first thought...

THe president Tells Mullin to take a crap and Mullins says where........Senior Officers when told something salute and say yes sir............Snyone who does not know that has never served and is clueless about what goes on in the military service..........
 
Hey, great point! Why aren't you going along with your Commander in Chief, Navy Dude? Its your duty.

Well this just tells me you have 0 insight into the person you are trying to ad hom into submission.
 
He is. He is respecting the decisions of other soldiers to follow orders. In case you were a bit behind, Navy is retired. He hasn't been given any orders in a long time.

Powell is retired too, yet Navy said he's just going along with Obama.
 
Well this just tells me you have 0 insight into the person you are trying to ad hom into submission.

Not in the least. I'm making a point. Where is the ad hom?
 
He is. He is respecting the decisions of other soldiers to follow orders. In case you were a bit behind, Navy is retired. He hasn't been given any orders in a long time.

Why are you so quick to diminish his honor as a serviceman? It says more about your desperation to win an argument than it does about the point you are trying to make. Just sayin'.

No he isn't Jallman....I'm sure you've been following this debate on this site. For days Navy has been going on and on about how soldiers will leave in droves...that isn't respecting the decision of other soldiers to follow orders...that is essentially condoning their disobedience of orders.

How has anything that I have said diminished his honor as a "serviceman"?
Are you suggesting that he can say any crazy thing he wants and shouldn't be called out on it? I can't imagine that it what you are suggesting, is it?
 
So you're calling them liars?

You really think Powell is doing this, not being active duty or in the government?

Don't you think if they disagreed they would just keep quiet instead of speaking out?

Would you call them liars to their faces?



THe president Tells Mullin to take a crap and Mullins says where........Senior Officers when told something salute and say yes sir............Snyone who does not know that has never served and is clueless about what goes on in the military service..........
 
THe president Tells Mullin to take a crap and Mullins says where........Senior Officers when told something salute and say yes sir............Snyone who does not know that has never served and is clueless about what goes on in the military service..........

This behavior is par for the course in ANY service when dealing with a superior office. Even more so when dealing directly with the Commander-in-Chief.
 
Not in the least. I'm making a point. Where is the ad hom?

Ad hominem...meaning "to the man" as opposed to "about the issue". Your post was a classic example of an ad hom.

"Why aren't you blah blah blah". Couple that with your sarcastic "Navy Dude" crap and it's nothing but ad hom with zero substance.

And as to your statement about Powell being retired...you are correct. He still can be given direct orders from the Commander in Chief for life because he was a commissioned officer.

An enlisted man, not so much. I guess they can but I have never heard of one being given an order in their retirement.

But to settle it: Navy, have you been issued orders to publicize agreement with repealing DADT?
 
Powell voted for Obama,......There both Black...you do the math..........

So if Flava-flav had been running....Powell would have voted for him....because their both black, right? :shock:
 
This behavior is par for the course in ANY service when dealing with a superior office. Even more so when dealing directly with the Commander-in-Chief.

You got it right......Mullin or Powell would never go against Obama...... and even though he is retired he is still called General Powell and will be until he dies and it will be on his headstone just as I am still called Chief although I am long since retired........For you guys that are clueless about the military that is the way it works..........
 
No he isn't Jallman....

Yes he is. I'm sorry you find it so inconvenient that your classless attempt to diminish the service of one of our board members was called to the carpet, but too bad. I find it highly offensive that you would leverage Navy's integrity as a serviceman against your desperation to win this argument. I understand that the issue is close to home for you (although I don't understand why since you never served to begin with) but that does not excuse your attempt to demean the service of others just to try to score points in a debate.

In fact, it diminishes any point you might have had in the first place.
 
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