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Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

Navy Pride said:
as adults and in private with mutual consent.........
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There was no consent in this case. It was also not in private, but in a hotel corridor that any one could go to.
 
Boo Radley said:
Well, there's nearly 600 posts here. And as what you claim is the number of discharges above, and not why they were discharges, could you at least give me the number of the post you posted it on? And does it break it down?
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No I can't do that......I read every post in this thread......I suggest you do the same or you can google on it using NADT discharges since 1993.........
 
SE102 said:
Article... chapter 15? US army, homosexual conduct with a general discharge (not honorable or dishonorable)

I joined while undiagnosed bipolar and in a bipolar mania then when i got there the delusions got too strong and saying I was gay was my plan to split. I should've just gotten a psych eval. But I didn't think it would work. So i went the surefire method.
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And sadly a lot of men and women have done the same thing.........
 
Redress said:
Actually yes. Sodomy is oral or anal sex(and the military definition includes bestiality). Both are practices used by strait people.

Further, many gays prefer mutual masturbation for their sex life, which is not sodomy. Sodomy is a complete red herring in any DADT discussion.
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That is news to me, thought I heard it all but then I am no authority on gay or straight sexual practices....I can tell you I have never heard of a straight man get discharged for a BJ off the shp and in private.........Where gays get in trouble is they assault straight men aboard ship..........
 
Redress said:
Well no, but largely for the better. There have been some mistakes, but overall, the military is constantly improving, learning from past mistakes. The military has not and does not stick with the status quo.
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I have a friend on the USS STINSON ......He is a SKCM Master Chief SK....The Stinson has a zero tolerance when it comes to sexual harrassment, and the man is guilty until proven innocent.......He has about 20 women working for him and one is SK1 First class SK...He does not deal with the women at all....He runs everything through the PO1............He said on the Stinson there have been dozens of charges brought up against men for SH and to this day there have only been 2 that were dismissed........He says that on the record chiefs and officers say that women aboard combatents has worked like a charm but if you ask the same people of the record they would say it was a total failure........

He says that if gays were allowed to serve openly it would be the same........He loves the Navy and had originally decided to stay in for 30 years.........Now he is getting out as soon as he gets his 20 years in.........He says there are a lot of chiefs that feel the same way........

Even though I am retired from the Navy when I made Chief Petty Officer I was told it was for life and I hate to see these things happening to my Navy and like I said the Navy or the military has not been established to be a social experiment, its to fight your wars and protect you and not for political correctness............
 
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SE102 said:
How often does that happen?
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I would say 4 or 5 times in a year............I have seen the Navy send NCIS agents aboar undercover to catch gays assaulting straights.......The straights are not always innocent....On occasion they reciprocate to the advances and are discharged to.........I can't tell you how surprised I was when I found out who some of the guys were that participating in these acts...........
 
Navy Pride said:
I would say 4 or 5 times in a year............I have seen the Navy send NCIS agents aboar undercover to catch gays assaulting straights.......The straights are not always innocent....On occasion they reciprocate to the advances and are discharged to.........I can't tell you how surprised I was when I found out who some of the guys were that participating in these acts...........
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So they're really just all gays not assaulting each-other but performing mutual sexual activity?

Too bad it took the NCIS to figure that one out.:rofl
 
Just a friendly reminder, this isn't about "if" the policy will be rescinded but "when."
 
Boo Radley said:
Well, there's nearly 600 posts here. And as what you claim is the number of discharges above, and not why they were discharges, could you at least give me the number of the post you posted it on? And does it break it down?
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Navy Pride said:
No I can't do that......I read every post in this thread......I suggest you do the same or you can google on it using NADT discharges since 1993.........
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Here...I'll do it for you.

NavyPride said:
Again you are wrong.....There have been thousand of people who violated DADT........You speak of something you know nothing about........



http://www.sldn.org/pages/about-dadt


About “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”
What Is "Don't Ask, Don't Tell?"
•Passed by Congress in 1993, DADT is a law mandating the discharge of openly gay, lesbian, or bisexual service members.
•More than 13,500 service members have been fired under the law since 1994.



you just know nothing about it DD
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Its post #417


Here is the link Navy posted: Servicemembers Legal Defense Network

Wonder why Navy is now running away from his link? Here's why:

Military Attitudes
73 percent of military personnel are comfortable with lesbians and gays (Zogby International, 2006).
The younger generations, those who fight America's 21st century wars, largely don't care about whether someone is gay or not-and they do not link job performance with sexual orientation.
One in four U.S. troops who served in Afghanistan or Iraq knows a member of their unit who is gay (Zogby, 2006).
The Public Overwhelmingly Supports Lifting the Ban
Majorities of weekly churchgoers (60 percent), conservatives (58 percent), and Republicans (58 percent) now favor repeal (Gallup, 2009).
Seventy-five percent of Americans support gays serving openly - up from just 44 percent in 1993 (ABC News/Washington Post, 2008).
Ban Hurts Military Readiness
The U.S. must recruit and retain the greatest number of the best and brightest-especially during two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The military has discharged almost 800 mission-critical troops and at least 59 Arabic and nine Farsi linguists under "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" in the last five years.


Navy obviously didn't read his own link before posting it. It disproves everything he has been saying for the last 10 pages.
 
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SE102 said:
So they're really just all gays not assaulting each-other but performing mutual sexual activity?

Too bad it took the NCIS to figure that one out.:rofl
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I am surprised you find that funny, anyhow there were a few timeswhere a straight guy let a gay guy vlow him aboard ship at sea and they got caught.The straight guy would say he was not gay but the Captain would not buy it and he got the same punishment as the gay guy.......Most of the time it was gay on gay though....

Here you go

Well of course you are. Don't worry though, the odds of it happening are extremely low.

About “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”
What Is "Don't Ask, Don't Tell?"
•Passed by Congress in 1993, DADT is a law mandating the discharge of openly gay, lesbian, or bisexual service members.
•More than 13,500 service members have been fired under the law since 1994.
 
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Why all the fascination with this issue? Are there that many guys on this site that are insecure in their manhood they feel it necessary to keep arguing about a life style choice such a big deal.
It's against the rules for men to have sex with women or to harass them just rewrite those rules to include homosexuals, and if they break the rules punish hell out of them but don't throw them out end of story.
 
disneydude said:
Here...I'll do it for you.

Its post #417

Here is the link Navy posted: Servicemembers Legal Defense Network

Wonder why Navy is now running away from his link? Here's why:

Military Attitudes
73 percent of military personnel are comfortable with lesbians and gays (Zogby International, 2006).
The younger generations, those who fight America's 21st century wars, largely don't care about whether someone is gay or not-and they do not link job performance with sexual orientation.
One in four U.S. troops who served in Afghanistan or Iraq knows a member of their unit who is gay (Zogby, 2006).
The Public Overwhelmingly Supports Lifting the Ban
Majorities of weekly churchgoers (60 percent), conservatives (58 percent), and Republicans (58 percent) now favor repeal (Gallup, 2009).
Seventy-five percent of Americans support gays serving openly - up from just 44 percent in 1993 (ABC News/Washington Post, 2008).
Ban Hurts Military Readiness
The U.S. must recruit and retain the greatest number of the best and brightest-especially during two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The military has discharged almost 800 mission-critical troops and at least 59 Arabic and nine Farsi linguists under "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" in the last five years.


Navy obviously didn't read his own link before posting it. It disproves everything he has been saying for the last 10 pages.
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The link I posted said there were over a thousand discharges of gays since 1993 and DADT was instituted.........I don't know what this is but the polling was done by and oversea polling activity.......

Here is the info I posted about the thousands of gays being discharged.......DD said that was nothing.........:rofl


Well of course you are. Don't worry though, the odds of it happening are extremely low.

About “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”
What Is "Don't Ask, Don't Tell?"
•Passed by Congress in 1993, DADT is a law mandating the discharge of openly gay, lesbian, or bisexual service members.
•More than 13,500 service members have been fired under the law since 1994.

The 13,500 discharges is what he asked about
 
Navy Pride said:
The link I posted said there were over a thousand discharges of gays since 1993 and DADT was instituted.........I don't know what this is but the polling was done by and oversea polling activity.......

Here is the info I posted about the thousands of gays being discharged.......DD said that was nothing.........:rofl


Well of course you are. Don't worry though, the odds of it happening are extremely low.

About “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”
What Is "Don't Ask, Don't Tell?"
•Passed by Congress in 1993, DADT is a law mandating the discharge of openly gay, lesbian, or bisexual service members.
•More than 13,500 service members have been fired under the law since 1994.

The 13,500 discharges is what he asked about
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Its because you didn't read your own link. The information posted is DIRECTLY from the Link that YOU yourself provided. Don't take my word for it...go back and check it out for yourself.

In fact....EVERYONE please read Navy Prides Link. It is full of useful information on this topic.
 
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Councilman said:
Why all the fascination with this issue? Are there that many guys on this site that are insecure in their manhood they feel it necessary to keep arguing about a life style choice such a big deal.
It's against the rules for men to have sex with women or to harass them just rewrite those rules to include homosexuals, and if they break the rules punish hell out of them but don't throw them out end of story.
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I can only speak from the Navy perspective but living in close quarters aboard a ship it will never work for gays to serve openly..............There will be violence on both sides and it will destroy morale and unity......
 
Navy Pride said:
I can only speak from the Navy perspective but living in close quarters aboard a ship it will never work for gays to serve openly..............There will be violence on both sides and it will destroy morale and unity......
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Not according to your link. Over 70% servicemen support ending the ban and say that they would have no problem working with a gay person.

Plus Navy....you were in the Navy decades ago. Attitudes change. People are much more tolerant of diversity today than they were in your time.
 
Navy Pride said:
I am surprised you find that funny, anyhow there were a few timeswhere a straight guy let a gay guy vlow him aboard ship at sea and they got caught.The straight guy would say he was not gay but the Captain would not buy it and he got the same punishment as the gay guy.......Most of the time it was gay on gay though....
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Why would you be opposed to the assumedly non-homosexual from receiving punishment if he was fellated by an admitted homosexual. I see them both equally guilty of homosexual conduct. You may have not meant to imply that though. Catch or pitch, they're both gay to me.
 
SE102 said:
Why would you be opposed to the assumedly non-homosexual from receiving punishment if he was fellated by an admitted homosexual. I see them both equally guilty of homosexual conduct. You may have not meant to imply that though. Catch or pitch, they're both gay to me.
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Most likely because he views the "straight" person as a "victim" of the homosexuals unwanted and uncontrollable sexual advances.
 
Uncontrollable gay fever infecting straight people.
Just like the gays say.
 
One of the problems that was brought up back in the early 90's when Clinton created the DADT policy…..living arrangements. I guarantee some people are going to have problems when forced to room with an openly opposite sex attraction challenged American. We are not talking skin color or national origin; we are talking about a sexual action/choice. That is going to cause problems. Men and women don't get roomed together in many bases around the world to reduce sexual relations and sexual assaults. So I would assume this would be a similar situation and when able (can't do it on a Navy ship though) everyone should have their own room. I know the expense that would incur, and so did the Clinton Administration when they compromised with DADT instead of allowing it to be totally out in the open.
 
Here is a youtube video that was also included on Navy Pride's link.

Its only about 4 minutes. Everyone should watch this. Thank you Navy for posting this:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZCZ_7SyTFM"]YouTube- BBC Victor Fehrenbach Story[/ame]

Navy Pride thinks this guy is unfit to serve in the the military. What do you think?
 
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pssZk9opON8"]YouTube- Repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell - Colin Powell and Sam Nunn[/ame]
 
I like the objection that it will make some in the service "uncomfortable." As if being in the military is normally comfortable.
 
disneydude said:
Here is a youtube video that was also included on Navy Pride's link.

Its only about 4 minutes. Everyone should watch this. Thank you Navy for posting this:

YouTube- BBC Victor Fehrenbach Story

Navy Pride thinks this guy is unfit to serve in the the military. What do you think?
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Watch the Troops cheering Colbert around the 3:05 mark. Those troops seem to think the law is pretty stupid.....
 
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