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Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

CriticalThought said:
The current policy is it doesn't. That is federal law. That is why it is a completely separate issue.
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You're wrong, current policy violates federal law unless you're gonna tell me Don't Ask Don't Tell musters civil law bars.

If you want to discriminate against HIV positive people, then you will need to start a new thread. This is about gay people, and last time I checked, not all gay people are HIV positive.
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This thread about gays serving in the military, AIDS being a forced into the discussion issue if you'd like to dicsuss gays serving openly. Sorry.

Also, the Uniform Code of Conduct is federal law, and it only applies to the military....so I don't know what the hell you were trying to say with your example.
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Here's what I'm trying to say, that your:

Are you suggesting the military go against federal law?
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Is exactly what I'm suggesting, the military's laws on sodomy and homosexual members does go against federal laws....right now.
 
Aids is a separate issue. You don't have to be gay to get aids. But either way, no one will stay in the military with aids. There's no effort to keep those too ill to serve active.
 
Boo Radley said:
Why? Should they vote on all the rules and criteria they have in the service? It is nonsense to have people vote on such things.
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Why shouldn't they? They are the ones it affects the most..........
 
Navy Pride said:
Why shouldn't they? They are the ones it affects the most..........
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When have the military ever voted on changes that effect them? Next we should let them vote on whether to deploy or not.
 
apdst said:
And, when Navy Pride stands to court, he can go ahead and file his legal greviance against the SECNAV for violating DoD regulations regarding issueing physical punishment outside of a training environment. At that point, I'm confident that any charges against Navy Pride will be dropped.
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Physical punishment? It was just an exercise session. That's why the SECNAV got down and did the push-ups with him. Point is, you follow orders, whether you're a Chief or a god damn General. Do you agree?
 
Redress said:
You are just jealous I had a GQ sleeper card.
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I don't even know what that is unless its authorization to sleep at General Quarters....We neve had them on cruisers and destroyers....My favorite GQ station was first loader on a 3 inch 50 gun mount.....we won the battle efficency "E".
 
Navy Pride said:
I don't even know what that is unless its authorization to sleep at General Quarters....We neve had them on cruisers and destroyers....My favorite GQ station was first loader on a 3 inch 50 gun mount.....we won the battle efficency "E".
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That is exactly what it is. The job of airdales was considered dangerous and high stress, so we needed our sleep, so GQ was not something we did.
 
Glinda said:
You asked me a question. I answered.

Now I'm asking you the same question. Too afraid to answer? Got no answer? Don't understand the lingo? Maybe this will help...



How would you handle DADT being rescinded?



:roll:
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Hahaha! My entire position hinges on the fact that these problems would be nearly impossible to avoid or solve, which is why I don't support the immediate and comprehensive repeal of DADT. Stop deluding yourself into thinking you've made some kind of point...
 
Redress said:
When have the military ever voted on changes that effect them? Next we should let them vote on whether to deploy or not.
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I don't think so but I think guys and girls should have a say whether gays serve openly.......It will never happen though......Something like that if changed will be jammed down the straight peoples throat......

They should go back to the way it was when I joined...You signed statement that you were not gay and a lot less gays were kicked out then now...........
 
Redress said:
That is exactly what it is. The job of airdales was considered dangerous and high stress, so we needed our sleep, so GQ was not something we did.
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I don't think that is unusual.....The people that usually have GQ stations are ships company not a squadron..........We had a helo squadron on the Sacramento that had 2 AK2s attached and much to their grief we put them to work during UNREP...They did not like it but they did it......I use to love dragging them out of their racks when we had UNREP....
 
Navy Pride said:
I don't think that is unusual.....The people that usually have GQ stations are ships company not a squadron..........We had a helo squadron on the Sacramento that had 2 AK2s attached and much to their grief we put them to work during UNREP...They did not like it but they did it......I use to love dragging them out of their racks when we had UNREP....
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Yeah, our GQ station was the flightdeck if we were at work. UNREPs we always had to supply a set number of people, which gave the E3 and below something to do.
 
Navy Pride said:
I don't even know what that is unless its authorization to sleep at General Quarters....We neve had them on cruisers and destroyers....My favorite GQ station was first loader on a 3 inch 50 gun mount.....we won the battle efficency "E".
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Big deal. I shooted a real Army gun once and with real Army bullets ..so there :mrgreen:
 
CrusaderRabbit08 said:
Big deal. I shooted a real Army gun once and with real Army bullets ..so there :mrgreen:
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I have shot a .50 cal, a 20mm and a 105 howitzer(I think it was). I R infantry!
 
Navy Pride said:
Why shouldn't they? They are the ones it affects the most..........
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Not effected at all.. It really should have no effect at all. They are adults aren't they?
 
Boo Radley said:
Not effected at all.. It really should have no effect at all. They are adults aren't they?
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Is this the first post you have read on this thread?


I note you have never served.......No skin off your ass right?
 
CrusaderRabbit08 said:
Like I should be impressed? The BB gun I had as a kid was longer than 3" :mrgreen:
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My far out left wing friend, that is the diameter of the barrel of the gun........The gun sits on a turret on a destroyer it shoots projectile that are approximately 15 inches long......It is used to shoot down aircraft.........


Try again sonny......
 
CrusaderRabbit08 said:
Who cares if he served or not. It's not a big deal.
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when your talking about gays in the military especially aboard ship I believe people that have experience are a plus on the issue.........Since you have none you know nothing about it...........

Even Redress has some experience but she was in a squadron that deployed on a air craft carrier, that is a floating city with all the comforts of home, hardly the life of the destroyer sailors........
 
Navy Pride said:
when your talking about gays in the military especially aboard ship I believe people that have experience are a plus on the issue.........Since you have none you know nothing about it...........

Even Redress has some experience but she was in a squadron that deployed on a air craft carrier, that is a floating city with all the comforts of home, hardly the life of the destroyer sailors........
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That's why the overwhelming majority of the military say they don't have a problem with gays serving in the military.

See...Navy.....most servicemen and servicewomen today are not as close minded as you and your swift-boat buddies were back in your day.
 
disneydude said:
That's why the overwhelming majority of the military say they don't have a problem with gays serving in the military.

See...Navy.....most servicemen and servicewomen today are not as close minded as you and your swift-boat buddies were back in your day.
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Then if possible you would have no problem with the military voting on the issue secret ballot huh? That would settle it and you would lose big time......From my contacts I would say about 70-30 against maybe more in the Navy........

I would even be willing to bet a lot of "Feel good Liberals" like you in the military in a secret ballot would vote no..............
 
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