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Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

apdst said:
Here's the only thing you need to know.

Sodomy is a crime in the military, according to the UCMJ.
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1. Sodomy =/= Gay

2. I'm curious, apdst, how often do you have sex while on the job? :roll:
 
Glinda said:
1. Sodomy =/= Gay

2. I'm curious, apdst, how often do you have sex while on the job? :roll:
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Well, my sex life is neither the subject here, nor any of your ****ing business.
 
Glinda said:
1. Sodomy =/= Gay

2. I'm curious, apdst, how often do you have sex while on the job? :roll:
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I wouldn't want to see two guys sucking face while I was at work.......*PUKE*
 
Partisan said:
I wouldn't want to see two guys sucking face while I was at work.......*PUKE*
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As far as that goes, PDA, while in uniform is a violation of military regulations, regardless of gender or sexual preference. Just shows how silly some folks can be.
 
apdst said:
Here's the only thing you need to know.



Sodomy is a crime in the military, according to the UCMJ. The president doesn't have the authroity to order military officers to ignore the articles of the UCMJ. You should know this what with your service.

You spoke in another post of, "regulations", prohibiting gays from serving in the military. It's not DoD regulations that prevent it, it's the UCMJ that prevents it.

PBO can't change this law, just like he couldn't change the law making murder illegal. If he could, he would have already done it.
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Again, read the provided information, and actually show where it is wrong. You have completely failed to do so. You have shown no supporting facts to back your position. Big hint: you can currently be discharged under DADT without committing sodomy. Further, if you are going to start prosecuting sodomy, most strait people in the military would have trouble too.
 
Partisan said:
"Don't ask, don't tell", was a smart way to deal with the gay problem, I see no reason to change that policy......;)
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There is no "gay problem" in the military.
 
Redress said:
Again, read the provided information, and actually show where it is wrong. You have completely failed to do so. You have shown no supporting facts to back your position. Big hint: you can currently be discharged under DADT without committing sodomy. Further, if you are going to start prosecuting sodomy, most strait people in the military would have trouble too.
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Gay soldiers are discharged under Article 125. Were you really in the service? You should already know this stuff.
 
apdst said:
Have you given any thought to what you're going to do when soldiers demand seperate billets because they don't want to bunk with soldiers of a different sexual preference?
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Their request will be denied. And they will abide by that decision or they will be disciplined.

These excuses are exactly the same excuses given when desegregation was being discussed. They just don't hold up.
 
Partisan said:
Sure there is......;)
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Explain please.

Gays already serve in the military. They've been serving for hundreds of years around the world. How are they a problem?
 
apdst said:
Well, my sex life is neither the subject here, nor any of your ****ing business.
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Actually, it's entirely pertinent to your argument.

You're evidently convinced that gay people hump like bunnies at every opportunity, even while on the job in the military. To back up your support of DADT, you used the argument that sodomy is illegal in the military. The use of this as your argument reveals that you equate sodomy with homosexuals ONLY.

But the real world doesn't turn that way.

So. I'm asking you to verify for us how often straight people hump like bunnies at every opportunity, even while on the job in the military.

Once we have a baseline reading of incidents of straight sex on the job, we can then properly judge/prosecute all those icky, perverted gay soldiers.

:roll:
 
Winnb said:
Their request will be denied. And they will abide by that decision or they will be disciplined.
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LOL...another one that has no clue how the military works.

These excuses are exactly the same excuses given when desegregation was being discussed. They just don't hold up.
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No, these aren't the same ones. In the military, you cannot force males and females to share billets. That same regulation gives gay soldiers the right to insist on seperate billets and vice-versa.
 
Glinda said:
Actually, it's entirely pertinent to your argument.

You're evidently convinced that gay people hump like bunnies at every opportunity
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, even while on the job in the military. To back up your support of DADT, you used the argument that sodomy is illegal in the military. The use of this as your argument reveals that you equate sodomy with homosexuals ONLY.

But the real world doesn't turn that way.

So. I'm asking you to verify for us how often straight people hump like bunnies at every opportunity, even while on the job in the military.

Once we have a baseline reading of incidents of straight sex on the job, we can then properly judge/prosecute all those icky, perverted gay soldiers.

:roll:
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Please point to any comment that I made that would indicate that that is how I feel. Thanks in advance.

I understand that you can't resist the, "you's a homophobe", argument, but it ain't gonna work. Care to stop trolling and discuss the topics with some facts rather false accusations?
 
apdst said:
Gay soldiers are discharged under Article 125. Were you really in the service? You should already know this stuff.
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Actually, gay soldiers are discharged under 10 USC Sec. 654 01/06/97. Now, care to actually prove your assertion that Obama cannot use an executive order to halt discharges under DADT?
 
apdst said:
LOL...another one that has no clue how the military works.
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You are sadly mistaken on that point.


No, these aren't the same ones. In the military, you cannot force males and females to share billets. That same regulation gives gay soldiers the right to insist on seperate billets and vice-versa.
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And now you've wandered off point.

No one is talking about forcing males and females to live together. You first said "bunk" together. Now you've changed it to "billets". In the Navy a billet is a job or assignment of where you are. People don't sleep together just because they share the same billet.

I'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about or you just made a mistake with terminology.
 
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Lip service.

I'd bet this was just a bone for his base, that will not be acted upon in 2010 either.
 
Redress said:
Actually, gay soldiers are discharged under 10 USC Sec. 654 01/06/97. Now, care to actually prove your assertion that Obama cannot use an executive order to halt discharges under DADT?
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I can't prove a negative. It's up to you show me where the president has the authority to change the law, especially articles in the UCMJ, via an executive order. Looking forward to seeing that.
 
Winnb said:
You are sadly mistaken on that point.
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If you actually believe your previous statement, I'm not.




And now you've wandered off point.

No one is talking about forcing males and females to live together. You first said "bunk" together. Now you've changed it to "billets". In the Navy a billet is a job or assignment of where you are. People don't sleep together just because they share the same billet.

I'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about or you just made a mistake with terminology.
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In the Army, "billet", refers to living quarters. Shall I use, "barracks", in the future? Or, perhaps, "post housing facilities"? "Contonement"?

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billet]Billet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
apdst said:
If you actually believe your previous statement, I'm not.






In the Army, "billet", refers to living quarters. Shall I use, "barracks", in the future? Or, perhaps, "post housing facilities"? "Contonement"?

Billet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Ah. Fair enough. Billet = Barracks.

So a soldier can't be forced to be a "roommate" (can we agree on that?) with a soldier of a different sex. I completely understand that.

But what does that have to do with a gay soldier? They're not a different sex. A woman rooming with a gay woman is not the same as a woman rooming with a man. Why would you be against a straight soldier sharing a room with a gay soldier?
 
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apdst said:
I can't prove a negative. It's up to you show me where the president has the authority to change the law, especially articles in the UCMJ, via an executive order. Looking forward to seeing that.
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Why do I even bother. Here is a hint: 10 USC Sec. 654 01/06/97 just like I said. Now, you are right, you cannot prove a negative, but you claim that Obama cannot do something, so there must be something(see, a positive) preventing him from doing it. Care to show what that positive something is? No one else is making this claim, so what do you know that no one else does?
 
apdst said:
Please point to any comment that I made that would indicate that that is how I feel.
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I already did, little one. Try thinking about what the words mean as you move your finger across the screen...

apdst said:
Here's the only thing you need to know. Sodomy is a crime in the military, according to the UCMJ.
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But, see, this is not a discussion about sodomy. This is a discussion about the President's wish to get rid of an ignorant and bigoted military rule (DADT).

Your only/best argument in support of DADT ("the only thing you need to know") is that sodomy is a crime in the military.

BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SODOMY.

YOU ARE.

What we have here is a group of people discussing the idea of getting rid of arcane, discriminatory military rules, and you jump up and shout "ZOMG!! SODOMY!!#!"

There's the connection right there. See it? DADT. DADT. DADT. DADT. SODOMY!!

So, back to my earlier point: Once we have a baseline reading of incidents of straight sex on the job, we can then properly judge/prosecute all those icky, perverted gay soldiers.

Since this is your big argument ("SODOMY!@@! ARGGH!@!") please verify for us how often straight people hump like bunnies at every opportunity, even while on the job in the military, so we have a real basis for comparison.

Many Straight Men Have Gay Sex
Nearly 10% of Self-Proclaimed 'Straight' Men Only Have Sex With Men

Sept. 18, 2006 -- Nearly one in 10 men who say they're straight have sex only with other men, a New York City survey finds.

And 70% of those straight-identified men having sex with men are married.

In fact, 10% of all married men in this survey report same-sex behavior during the past year. --WebMD Health News
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Or, y'know, you could forget about sodomy being a strictly gay thing.
 
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