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Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

AgentM said:
Obama is overly stuck on this whole "bi-partisanship" nonsense, that may be why he's going to Congress. As if the GOP cares one whit for bi-partisanship.
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See I can see going to Congress if he had too, but he's the CIC. He can just do it. Even if all of Congress was 100% Republican he could still do it.

I think? I'm still not 100% on that because I can't remember exactly how Clinton instituted the policy. But I don't think Congress was involved. Except of course to bitch about it.
 
Winnb said:
See I can see going to Congress if he had too, but he's the CIC. He can just do it. Even if all of Congress was 100% Republican he could still do it.

I think? I'm still not 100% on that because I can't remember exactly how Clinton instituted the policy. But I don't think Congress was involved. Except of course to bitch about it.
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Yeah, well it's not what I would have done. I would have done the Executive Order myself. Particularly after the health care fiasco.
 
the impromptu president supplants policy with improvisation

this proviso is the product of 5:00 ponderance

such a paltry perspective

pathetic
 
The Prof said:
the impromptu president supplants policy with improvisation

this proviso is the product of 5:00 ponderance

such a paltry perspective

pathetic
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Bush had better policy? "9/11, ****. Wait, now we can go into Iraq, we've got a totally awesome plan for how to deal with it! It's going to be great!" :roll:
 
Winnb said:
Yeah I think I agree. If the President REALLY wants to get rid of this policy he should just do it. He has the power and authority. No excuses, no waiting game, no blame game. Just do it.
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Yes, why doesn't he just do it? Executive Order, just like Clinton did in 1993. He shouldn't have to worry too much about another President overturning it, since Bush didn't overturn Clinton's.
 
Porchev said:
Yes, why doesn't he just do it? Executive Order, just like Clinton did in 1993. He shouldn't have to worry too much about another President overturning it, since Bush didn't overturn Clinton's.
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You can't simply overturn executive orders. Federal courts have stated that in order to reverse the executive orders new regulations have to be created in their place. Bush didn't overturn Clinton's executive orders because he couldn't do more than put a freeze on them. You have to create new regulations which are in accordance to the guidelines set by the courts. No president has the authority to simply revoke or ignore the executive orders of the previous administrations.
 
Hatuey said:
You can't simply overturn executive orders. Federal courts have stated that in order to reverse the executive orders new regulations have to be created in their place. Bush didn't overturn Clinton's executive orders because he couldn't do more than put a freeze on them. You have to create new regulations which are in accordance to the guidelines set by the courts. No president has the authority to simply revoke or ignore the executive orders of the previous administrations.
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Presidents have the authority to adopt executive orders that dictate how the executive branch of the government conducts its affairs.

"Obama has spent his first days in office aggressively signing executive orders reversing Bush administration policies on issues ranging from foreign policy to government operations."
Obama reverses U.S. abortion-funding policy - USATODAY.com
 
AgentM said:
Bush had better policy? "9/11, ****. Wait, now we can go into Iraq, we've got a totally awesome plan for how to deal with it! It's going to be great!" :roll:
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bush was a loser

why do you compare obama to bush?
 
Porchev said:
Presidents have the authority to adopt executive orders that dictate how the executive branch of the government conducts its affairs.

"Obama has spent his first days in office aggressively signing executive orders reversing Bush administration policies on issues ranging from foreign policy to government operations."
Obama reverses U.S. abortion-funding policy - USATODAY.com
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Did you read what I said? Because you just repeated yourself. Here :

Clinton's Executive Orders

President Reagan came into office and put an immediate freeze on Jimmy Carter's midnight regulations. But when it came time to begin to reverse these orders, President Reagan found himself thwarted by federal courts that ruled that existing regulations could not be arbitrarily ignored or revoked. Instead, they required that new regulations be crafted to reverse old ones. And this process is a lengthy one which requires advance notice and public comment.
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Regardless of how you think executive orders work, it is not a simple as coming up with a new executive order to reverse and old one. Bush policy was to limit funding and with this limiting came a series of new regulations. Obama would have to create a new set to counter that and Bush did before he signs an executive order.
 
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Hatuey said:
Did you read what I said? Because you just repeated yourself. Here :

Clinton's Executive Orders



Regardless of how you think executive orders work, it is not a simple as coming up with a new executive order to reverse and old one. Bush policy was to limit funding and with this limiting came a series of new regulations. Obama would have to create a new set to counter that and Bush did before he signs an executive order.
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Perhaps you should do some more research...here is one example from an Obama E.O.:

"...Sec. 6. Revocation. Executive Order 13233 of November 1, 2001, is revoked.

BARACK OBAMA

THE WHITE HOUSE,
January 21, 2009"


Executive Order -- Presidential Records | The White House
 
Porchev said:
Perhaps you should do some more research...
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Why don't you try reading? Please try? Obama revoked a 1 page order by Bush. That means nothing in regards to DADT. Why? "DADT" involves the USC and basically changing American laws. It is a lot more complicated than simply signing an executive order to reverse it or adding "revoked" at the bottom of an order which simply limits access to presidential records. Why? Because Obama would have to replace the REGULATIONS and policies within the entire military. Seriously. It is the difference between buying a house and a twinkie.
 
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Hatuey said:
Why don't you try reading? Please try? Obama revoked a 1 page order by Bush. That means nothing in regards to DADT. Why? "DADT" involves the USC and basically changing American laws. It is a lot more complicated than simply signing an executive order to reverse it or adding "revoked" at the bottom of an order which simply limits access to presidential records. Why? Because Obama would have to replace the REGULATIONS and policies within the entire military. Seriously. It is the difference between buying a house and a twinkie.
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Here is what I can find: Think Progress White House Rejects CAP’s Recommendations To Suspend DADT Through Executive Order

Yesterday, the Center for American Progress released a report detailing a clear, realistic, and comprehensive road map for repealing “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” the discriminatory ban on gay men and women serving openly in the military. The steps include:

1. Signing an Executive Order banning further military separations based on DADT and sending a legislative proposal on DADT repeal to Congress

2. Forming a presidential panel on how to implement the repeal

3. Repealing DADT in Congress and changing the Uniformed Code of Military Justice, or UCMS

4. Changing other necessary military guidelines to conform to the new policy

5. Following-up to ensure that the armed forces implement the policy changes
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So what he can do it appears, if this is accurate, is stop any further separations for violations of DADT, but congress has to change the actual laws involved.
 
Redress said:
Here is what I can find: Think Progress White House Rejects CAP’s Recommendations To Suspend DADT Through Executive Order

So what he can do it appears, if this is accurate, is stop any further separations for violations of DADT, but congress has to change the actual laws involved.
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Don't you see? If Obama simply says Executive Order....DADT disappears. People simply do not understand that opposition to DADT is opposition to a law. Not the executive order which made it law. The most Obama can do is put a freeze on the practice. Appealing it would actually take a lot longer.
 
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Hatuey said:
Don't you see? If Obama simply says Executive Order....DADT disappears. People simply do not understand that opposition to DADT is opposition to a law. Not the executive order which made it law. The most Obama can do is put a freeze on the practice. Appealing it would actually take a lot longer.
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That is my understanding, yes. To change the military regulations, Congress needs to do it.
 
AgentM said:
Yes he was.

I compare them because he was the last President, and from the opposing party.
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well, comparing the current president to some loser from history is hardly proud

the point is, obama decided on DADT (LOL!) for THIS year (LOL!) some time in the last 24 hours

that's some vision

conviction deep as a paper cut
 
I have the strangest feeling of deja vu.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news/42410-obama-end-militarys-dont-ask-dont-tell-policy.html

RightinNYC said:
WASHINGTON — President-elect Barack Obama will allow gays to serve openly in the military by overturning the controversial "don't ask, don't tell" policy that marred President Clinton's first days in office, according to incoming White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs.

The startling pronouncement, which could re-open a dormant battle in the culture wars and distract from other elements of Obama's agenda, came during a Gibbs exchange with members of the public who sent in questions that were answered on YouTube.

"Thadeus of Lansing, Mich., asks, 'Is the new administration going to get rid of the "don't ask, don't tell policy?'" said Gibbs, looking into the camera. "Thadeus, you don't hear a politician give a one-word answer much. But it's, 'Yes.'"

The Obama transition team declined to elaborate on that one-word answer when asked by FOX News on Wednesday about a timetable for repealing the policy, which was enacted by Clinton after a protracted public debate. Obama officials also would not explain which lawmakers or Pentagon officials would attempt to repeal "don't ask, don't tell."
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FOXNews.com - Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News
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From the government take over of healthcare to don't ask don't tell, the bumbbling, fumbling clown flounders on.
 
ScummyD said:
From the government take over of healthcare to don't ask don't tell, the bumbbling, fumbling clown flounders on.
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Yep, government take over. The US gov't has control and universal health care now! :roll:
 
AgentM said:
Yep, government take over. The US gov't has control and universal health care now! :roll:
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Never said that. Try to pay attention and follow along, son.
 
AgentM said:
Yep, government take over. The US gov't has control and universal health care now! :roll:
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Where did he say that?

Silence or I'll send my nephew's scout troop up there and take over your country.
 
texmaster said:
Where did he say that?

Silence or I'll send my nephew's scout troop up there and take over your country.
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:lol: It wouldn't take much more than that these days.
 
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