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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

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    I think he meant IDF.
    Well, that's Israel, not the US. Two different breeds of people.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

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    You seem to be ingnoring the fact that 1) Gays are just as likely to commit sexual harrassment as straights and 2) Gays can be victims of sexual harrassment by straight soldiers, as well.

    You're not including the human factor in your personal analysis of the broader picture.
    I am not ignoring or failing to figure any of that, but for the rate of harassment to increase, you need more people committing harassment. This is not a complicated concept.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, that's Israel, not the US. Two different breeds of people.
    Not as different as you might think. Not to mention, we could learn alot from the IDF, which is an incredibly effective service. Further, Canada, which is basically a suburb of the US, also has managed to integrate gays and straits, as has a fair number of other countries.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You seem to be ingnoring the fact that 1) Gays are just as likely to commit sexual harrassment as straights and 2) Gays can be victims of sexual harrassment by straight soldiers, as well.

    You're not including the human factor in your personal analysis of the broader picture.
    And you seem to be ignoring that I just provided a reasoned argument for how this policy could be leading people to needlessly die. Now either you provide an argument for how this policy is saving more people than it is probably killing, or I think you need to concede that your little "sexual harassment" argument doesn't amount to **** compared to the lives of the men and women in the field and here at home.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Yeah, the IDF is clicking along just fine. 80% of the soldiers in the IDF have claimed to have been sexually harassed.

    80% of IDF women claim harassment | j. the Jewish news weekly of Northern California
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Not as different as you might think. Not to mention, we could learn alot from the IDF, which is an incredibly effective service. Further, Canada, which is basically a suburb of the US, also has managed to integrate gays and straits, as has a fair number of other countries.
    When's the last time that the RCA was in a real battle?
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    And you seem to be ignoring that I just provided a reasoned argument for how this policy could be leading people to needlessly die. Now either you provide an argument for how this policy is saving more people than it is probably killing, or I think you need to concede that your little "sexual harassment" argument doesn't amount to **** compared to the lives of the men and women in the field and here at home.
    How is DADT getting people killed?
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How is DADT getting people killed?
    As I stated before but you ignored...

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    I don't give a **** about social experiments or political correctness. As I have said before in this thread, my issue with this policy is purely that of national security. When you dismiss 300 Arab translators just because they are gay during a time of war when such translators are in short supply, then you are certain to miss vital intelligence. That is intelligence that could prevent needless deaths. Now maybe in your distorted world view, you could justify people dying for this policy, but I can't.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You seem to be ingnoring the fact that 1) Gays are just as likely to commit sexual harrassment as straights and 2) Gays can be victims of sexual harrassment by straight soldiers, as well.

    You're not including the human factor in your personal analysis of the broader picture.
    The same things were said about women serving in the military. Funny how the majority of woman serve without incidence.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    When did this happen?

    When you dismiss 300 Arab translators just because they are gay during a time of war when such translators are in short supply,
    And, do you think that those translators are the only Arabic speaking people in the country?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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