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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You would only see an increase in sexual harassment charges if gays are more likely to commit sexual harassment, which I don't is true, and I am sure you cannot prove.
    Well, as usual, you're only able to see things from a one demensional point of view. It's not going to be just gays committing sexual harrassment. It's going to be gay on gay, gay on straight, straight on gay, and so on. Just as likely, there are going to be gay on gay rapes, gay on straight rapes, straight on gay rapes, and that's not even taking into account the increased number of assaults that will take place. I think it's quite naive to believe that these scenarios won't exist.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I would suggest those are the people we don't need.
    You're aboslutely right, but you know as well as I do how hard it is to kick a soldier out of the Army. When I was a platoon sgt. I dreamed everyday of the time when I could fire a soldier and send his worthless ass home.

    I was written up one time for not persuing an AWOL soldier. My feelings were that his presence was nothing more than a waste time and tracking him down was even bigger waste of time.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, as usual, you're only able to see things from a one demensional point of view. It's not going to be just gays committing sexual harrassment. It's going to be gay on gay, gay on straight, straight on gay, and so on. Just as likely, there are going to be gay on gay rapes, gay on straight rapes, straight on gay rapes, and that's not even taking into account the increased number of assaults that will take place. I think it's quite naive to believe that these scenarios won't exist.
    Straight men will hit on gay men?

    Again, the people who are childish are the people we don't need, regardless of sexual orientation or gender. Adults can handle this.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're aboslutely right, but you know as well as I do how hard it is to kick a soldier out of the Army. When I was a platoon sgt. I dreamed everyday of the time when I could fire a soldier and send his worthless ass home.

    I was written up one time for not persuing an AWOL soldier. My feelings were that his presence was nothing more than a waste time and tracking him down was even bigger waste of time.
    I know soldiers have rules to follow and there are punishments for breaking rules. Enough punishment, and even the childish will adjust their behavior in order to not be punished. The military actually adapts quite well, when order to do so.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I was written up one time for not persuing an AWOL soldier. My feelings were that his presence was nothing more than a waste time and tracking him down was even bigger waste of time.
    Plus when he's caught and sent back, you can't do **** to them. It's such BS, I've about had it. I swear ACLU lawyers have infiltrated the JAG corps.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ok, when the military created co-ed units, did sexual harrassment incidents rise? They did, didn't they?

    The same thing will happen with the abolition of DADT.
    Wow, your scientific method of comparing different situations with different variables to draw conclusions that they are the same is intriguing.

    So basically you are saying the relationship between men and women is the exact same as the relationship between heterosexual men and homosexual men? Fascinating. You are very insightful.

    What I love even more, is listening to people who think that political correctness and social experiments are more important than a functional military that is able to defend our nation, with as little combat loss as possible.
    I don't give a **** about social experiments or political correctness. As I have said before in this thread, my issue with this policy is purely that of national security. When you dismiss 300 Arab translators just because they are gay during a time of war when such translators are in short supply, then you are certain to miss vital intelligence. That is intelligence that could prevent needless deaths. Now maybe in your distorted world view, you could justify people dying for this policy, but I can't.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, as usual, you're only able to see things from a one demensional point of view. It's not going to be just gays committing sexual harrassment. It's going to be gay on gay, gay on straight, straight on gay, and so on. Just as likely, there are going to be gay on gay rapes, gay on straight rapes, straight on gay rapes, and that's not even taking into account the increased number of assaults that will take place. I think it's quite naive to believe that these scenarios won't exist.
    Which in no way invalidates what I said. The rate of sexual harassment will only rise if the number of people more likely to harass increases. Or, for the rate of sexual harassment to increase, gays have to be more likely to sexually harass people. Feel free to attempt to prove they are. Hint: quite a few gays in the military now, and for the most part, sexual harassment among gays is a nonissue handled at the command level.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Men women and gays seem to do fine serving together in the JDF.
    What's th JDF?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What's th JDF?
    I think he meant IDF.

    Edited to add: I had to look up JDF, and I don't think he meant the Jamaican defense force, or the Japanese Self Defense force, so IDF makes more sense.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Which in no way invalidates what I said. The rate of sexual harassment will only rise if the number of people more likely to harass increases. Or, for the rate of sexual harassment to increase, gays have to be more likely to sexually harass people. Feel free to attempt to prove they are. Hint: quite a few gays in the military now, and for the most part, sexual harassment among gays is a nonissue handled at the command level.
    You seem to be ingnoring the fact that 1) Gays are just as likely to commit sexual harrassment as straights and 2) Gays can be victims of sexual harrassment by straight soldiers, as well.

    You're not including the human factor in your personal analysis of the broader picture.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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