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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And easy to report and punish, again, making it something unlikely to happen often. It is even less likely than an advance made against female service members. Adults handle these things, right?
    You were in the service and I'm sure you saw just as many adults do stupid **** as I did.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You were in the service and I'm sure you saw just as many adults do stupid **** as I did.
    That's true. See it in the civilian world as well. But that's no excuse to expect less than adult behavior, is it?

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You were in the service and I'm sure you saw just as many adults do stupid **** as I did.
    So what you are saying is that stupid behavior has nothing to do with orientation, which is something I agree with. We should not make policy based on the fact that stupid people will be stupid.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's true. See it in the civilian world as well. But that's no excuse to expect less than adult behavior, is it?
    It's not, but I think we both know that there ar people that can't/won't live up to those expectations and neither gender, nor sexual orientation exempts anyone from not meeting the standard.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

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    So what you are saying is that stupid behavior has nothing to do with orientation, which is something I agree with. We should not make policy based on the fact that stupid people will be stupid.
    Unfortunately, we're talking about an orginization that depends on a minimum of stupidity to remain functional. In the case of th military, I think we must base policies on the propensity of people to act stupid. When there were no co-ed units in the military, rapes and sexual harrassment were virtually non-existant.

    It's a fact, that allowing gays to serve openly in the military that we will see an increase in sexual harrassment and EO charges. Like it, or not, it's going to happen. IMO, our service members have more important tasks to perform, than to deal with all that bull****.

    When I was in the service, I knew senior NCO's that spent more time dealing with all that crap than they did leading and training their troops.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's a fact, that allowing gays to serve openly in the military that we will see an increase in sexual harrassment and EO charges. Like it, or not, it's going to happen. IMO, our service members have more important tasks to perform, than to deal with all that bull****
    Yay, for completely unsubstantiated assumptions!

    Do you think putting the words "it's a fact" before you say something actually makes it a fact?

    I love to listening people make arguments that prejudice should determine issues of national security.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's not, but I think we both know that there ar people that can't/won't live up to those expectations and neither gender, nor sexual orientation exempts anyone from not meeting the standard.
    I would suggest those are the people we don't need.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Unfortunately, we're talking about an orginization that depends on a minimum of stupidity to remain functional. In the case of th military, I think we must base policies on the propensity of people to act stupid. When there were no co-ed units in the military, rapes and sexual harrassment were virtually non-existant.

    It's a fact, that allowing gays to serve openly in the military that we will see an increase in sexual harrassment and EO charges. Like it, or not, it's going to happen. IMO, our service members have more important tasks to perform, than to deal with all that bull****.

    When I was in the service, I knew senior NCO's that spent more time dealing with all that crap than they did leading and training their troops.
    You would only see an increase in sexual harassment charges if gays are more likely to commit sexual harassment, which I don't believe is true, and I am sure you cannot prove.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Yay, for completely unsubstantiated assumptions!

    Do you think putting the words "it's a fact" before you say something actually makes it a fact?


    Ok, when the military created co-ed units, did sexual harrassment incidents rise? They did, didn't they?

    The same thing will happen with the abolition of DADT.

    I love to listening people make arguments that prejudice should determine issues of national security.
    What I love even more, is listening to people who think that political correctness and social experiments are more important than a functional military that is able to defend our nation, with as little combat loss as possible.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What I love even more, is listening to people who think that political correctness and social experiments are more important than a functional military that is able to defend our nation, with as little combat loss as possible.
    Men women and gays seem to do fine serving together in the JDF.

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