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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

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    I don't expect a rebuttal, since I just destroyed you in front of everyone.
    Jesus Christ on a bicycle, I've heard it all now. I hope one day I'm as tough and good at the internetz as you are.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Pretty much.
    Actually, I was referring to the fact that Powell opposed Clinton's efforts to let gays serve openly.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Actually, I was referring to the fact that Powell opposed Clinton's efforts to let gays serve openly.
    I don't recall there being great opposition. I recall him being in an advisory role. You're splitting hairs at this point to make history say what you want it to say.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    It has everything to do with it from their perspective. You made a valid point in that their motivations are directly influenced by their duty to follow orders.

    Rather than reflect on that point and how it impacts their argument, they went rabid about making the thread focus on you so they could avoid how their own arguments might be somewhat diminished.
    Is that not what most of the liberals do in this forum.......attack the messenger.........?

    I can honestly tell you I wish I was wrong...I don't want to see problems or chaos in the Navy.......There is enough problems already....I wish Gays could serve openly in the Navy but it is not going to happen without a lot of unnecessary problems I feel.......Some of these Liberals think I hate gay people because I am against gay marriage and gays serving openly in the military......I don't care what they think but that is the farthest thing from the truth.....

    I guess what pisses me off the most is these liberals can say let gays serve openly...it makes them feel good when they go to bed at night.....its no skin off their ass.......most never served and never will......Most are clueless about military life........Well military life was my life and still is even though I retired........I lived it breathed it 24/7 for 21 years.....You served and you know what goes on........
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    what does that have to do with anythng?
    It speaks to your continued assertion that you know exactly what is going on in the military today, but nobody else does.

    So, how many years since you've had any actual, personal, first-hand experience of day-to-day life in today's military?

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Is that what Powell did 17 years ago?
    I believe Powell favored DADT then
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    It speaks to your continued assertion that you know exactly what is going on in the military today, but nobody else does.

    So, how many years since you've had any actual, personal, first-hand experience of day-to-day life in today's military?
    Even though I am retired I never quit working for the Gov. I was in the military and worked for the gov. for about 45 years.............I am stationed within 10 to 20 miles of 4 bases....I am friends with Chiefs and Officers that are stationed on ships and stations here..........I beong to the Fleet Reserve Assoc., The VFW and the American Legion...I know the pulse of the Navy............
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    No, I certainly am not in the Navy. But I am in the Army and I deploy for a year or more at a time. We don't sleep in close quarters to each other on ships, but do sleep close to each other on cots, in vehicles and on the earth.



    I am an officer; But I don't even know what a stateroom is. I haven't always been. When I was a private, I slept in a 60-man bay on bunkbeds and showered in a large communal shower and even took a **** on stools with no privacy.

    Since my commission, I sleep like the men do. In the field training, I sleep where they do; usually on the ground or catnaps in the humvee. In OIF, I slept on a cot two feet away from my Sergeant the entire deployment. In fact, my whole crew (seven) slept in a 10 x 10 room together at the patrol base or on the ground...depending on the mission. In subsequent combat tours, I've slept multiple places; in tents with the whole platoon, in bunkers with my unit with a piece of plywood or bedsheet for privacy. I've certainly shared many a community showers with my troops...that almost makes me laugh. Even as the commander now, I still shower everyday after PT in the unit's communal shower.




    Well, then maybe the Navy has a discipline problem, sir. I don't know. The last thing I'm concerned with is a gay soldier coming on to me or any other soldier in the unit. He would be in trouble if he did. I really don't think it's an issue. We've got bigger things to worry about. Like training for and fighting wars.



    Well, then maybe YOU have a discipline problem, sir. You aren't one of my Soldiers so I'm not worried about it. We have mixed gender units now and yes, there are some issues with sexual advances, but it's not out of control. I'm sure if I had a gay Soldier in the unit, he would not come on to or rape any heterosexual Soldier. I think to expect that to be a widespread epidemic is pretty silly. To be honest, even if DADT is overturned, I doubt you'll see servicemembers "coming out" in droves. Especially not in all-male units like mine; but if they do, they will be afforded the same opportunities and protection from discrimination just like any other Soldier.

    I don't expect a rebuttal, since I just destroyed you in front of everyone.
    You destroyed no one sitting behind your monitor wolfing at me because I don't believe you when it comes to the situation I mentioned with and all female crew and you........I think any male would succumb to those temptations and I would not blame them in the least.....Its natural and the average age of a sailor aoard a ship is about 19 years old when their juices are flowing at their highest.......That is why there are so many pregnancies in the Navy and I am not just blaming the woman but when she gets pregnant she leaves the ship and some poor guy has to do her job and his to because there is usually no replacement.............By the way publicly the senior officerslike Mullin all salute and stand behind the president on this to but in private a lot of them have a different opinion on the issue.......

    If DADT is dropped it will probably take a couple of years and I hope your still around here to eat your words when there are problems that arise from this change in policy..........

    You will probably have tucked your tail up your ass and be long gone by then though..........
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    It speaks to your continued assertion that you know exactly what is going on in the military today, but nobody else does.

    So, how many years since you've had any actual, personal, first-hand experience of day-to-day life in today's military?
    He retired in 1977 ..back in the olden days.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I don't recall there being great opposition. I recall him being in an advisory role. You're splitting hairs at this point to make history say what you want it to say.
    No, I looked it up first.

    Retired Army Gen. Colin L. Powell, whose opposition to allowing gay men and lesbians to serve openly in the military helped lead to adoption of the "don't ask, don't tell" legislation 17 years ago, said Wednesday that he now thinks the restrictive law should be repealed.

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    A question about sexual orientation had long been standard on military recruitment forms, and acknowledgment of homosexuality led to automatic rejection. Bill Clinton pledged during his 1992 presidential campaign to abolish all such restrictions. But less than a week after his inauguration in 1993, in a meeting with service chiefs arranged by then-Chairman Powell, Clinton wilted under their opposition. Concerned that the controversy would undermine his larger policy goals and aware that a congressional majority opposed lifting all restrictions, Clinton ultimately backed a compromise that Powell called "stop asking and stop pursuing."
    washingtonpost.com

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