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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    To a degree. But Mullin spoke of his personal feelings. He actually believes this should be done. Also, people in Mullin's position are expected to speak honestly, even if it is contrary (just respectfully).

    Bottom line he saluted and said yes sir and that is exactly what any chairman of the joint chiefs would do.....
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Be clear. What are you accusing Powell of?
    I don't know how to be any clearer since I almost heard him say that word for word on Meet the Press............
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Bottom line he saluted and said yes sir and that is exactly what any chairman of the joint chiefs would do.....
    Isn't that also exactly what any grunt should do?

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    How many years since you retired, NP?
    what does that have to do with anythng?
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    what does that have to do with anythng?
    It has everything to do with it from their perspective. You made a valid point in that officers' motivations are directly influenced by their duty to follow orders.

    Rather than reflect on that point and how it impacts their argument, they went rabid about making the thread focus on you so they could avoid how their own arguments might be somewhat diminished.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Isn't that also exactly what any grunt should do?
    Any grunt is not next in the chain of command to the presidentof the U.S. and can speak informally to their fellow grunts or shipmates in my case.........
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Bottom line he saluted and said yes sir and that is exactly what any chairman of the joint chiefs would do.....
    Is that what Powell did 17 years ago?

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    "Why aren't YOU being a good soldier?"

    Yeah, you can deny it all you want after the fact, but ya still tried it. And I am not going to just give you a pass for such classlessness.



    Why? You didn't. Your insight into what it means to be a good serviceman is obviously already skewed by the fact that you tried to demean Navy's. It's not as if you've ever shown Navy a shred of respect for his service to this country and, in fact, any chance you get to diminish him, you hop all over it like a nickel whore on two dollar john.

    Poor disney...got a fact pointed out to him. Boo ****in hoo.



    Well I done beeeeen to the top of the mountain, too and had a dream and all that. But that doesn't change what you tried to do to Navy just now.

    Sorry Jall....but I am going to have to disagree with you.

    If you read it all in context I think you will agree.

    Navy was trying to argue that the only reason that the military leaders are coming out in favor of repealing the ban is because the are "being good soldiers"...not because they believe it is the right thing to do. Basically saying that "good soldiers" do what they are told to do and not question it.

    My comment to him, taken in that context was not an effort to call him a "bad soldier" but rather to simply point out the ridiculous nature of the point that he made.

    It may have been misinterpreted...and if it has, I apologize for that and I would apologize to Navy if he or anyone else thought that I was calling him a "bad soldier" for not supporting the repeal.
    I have never said that Navy was a bad soldier or said anything to demean his military service. (I think Navy would even have to agree with that).
    I come from a long line of military. My father served in ww2 and I had close uncles that were killed in Vietnam and in the Korean war.

    I just always find it highly offensive when people try to argue that simply because you aren't this or that, you have no say on an issue. Its an easy way to avoid addressing the issues being presented.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Is that what Powell did 17 years ago?
    Pretty much.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    OK here you go......You are not in the Navy...You don't have to go to sea for up to 90 days at a time
    No, I certainly am not in the Navy. But I am in the Army and I deploy for a year or more at a time. We don't sleep in close quarters to each other on ships, but do sleep close to each other on cots, in vehicles and on the earth.

    It sounds like you are and officer so you probably have your own stateroom and shower......You don't have to undress with your men in close quarters
    I am an officer; But I don't even know what a stateroom is. I haven't always been. When I was a private, I slept in a 60-man bay on bunkbeds and showered in a large communal shower and even took a **** on stools with no privacy.

    Since my commission, I sleep like the men do. In the field training, I sleep where they do; usually on the ground or catnaps in the humvee. In OIF, I slept on a cot two feet away from my Sergeant the entire deployment. In fact, my whole crew (seven) slept in a 10 x 10 room together at the patrol base or on the ground...depending on the mission. In subsequent combat tours, I've slept multiple places; in tents with the whole platoon, in bunkers with my unit with a piece of plywood or bedsheet for privacy. I've certainly shared many a community showers with my troops...that almost makes me laugh. Even as the commander now, I still shower everyday after PT in the unit's communal shower.


    Don't be like Disney Dude..........Answer this honestly...Do you think you could be stationed on a ship with all young women and be the only man? Do you think you could spend months at sea with them, sleeping inches away,undressing and showering with them? On a Navy ship that is what happens......
    Well, then maybe the Navy has a discipline problem, sir. I don't know. The last thing I'm concerned with is a gay soldier coming on to me or any other soldier in the unit. He would be in trouble if he did. I really don't think it's an issue. We've got bigger things to worry about. Like training for and fighting wars.

    So answer the question, could you go long periods of time in that situation and not make any advances to the women.........I can honestly say I sure as hell couldn't..........
    Well, then maybe YOU have a discipline problem, sir. You aren't one of my Soldiers so I'm not worried about it. We have mixed gender units now and yes, there are some issues with sexual advances, but it's not out of control. I'm sure if I had a gay Soldier in the unit, he would not come on to or rape any heterosexual Soldier. I think to expect that to be a widespread epidemic is pretty silly. To be honest, even if DADT is overturned, I doubt you'll see servicemembers "coming out" in droves. Especially not in all-male units like mine; but if they do, they will be afforded the same opportunities and protection from discrimination just like any other Soldier.

    I don't expect a rebuttal, since I just destroyed you in front of everyone.

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