Rather than reflect on that point and how it impacts their argument, they went rabid about making the thread focus on you so they could avoid how their own arguments might be somewhat diminished.
Last edited by jallman; 02-04-10 at 03:42 PM.
Sorry Jall....but I am going to have to disagree with you.
If you read it all in context I think you will agree.
Navy was trying to argue that the only reason that the military leaders are coming out in favor of repealing the ban is because the are "being good soldiers"...not because they believe it is the right thing to do. Basically saying that "good soldiers" do what they are told to do and not question it.
My comment to him, taken in that context was not an effort to call him a "bad soldier" but rather to simply point out the ridiculous nature of the point that he made.
It may have been misinterpreted...and if it has, I apologize for that and I would apologize to Navy if he or anyone else thought that I was calling him a "bad soldier" for not supporting the repeal.
I have never said that Navy was a bad soldier or said anything to demean his military service. (I think Navy would even have to agree with that).
I come from a long line of military. My father served in ww2 and I had close uncles that were killed in Vietnam and in the Korean war.
I just always find it highly offensive when people try to argue that simply because you aren't this or that, you have no say on an issue. Its an easy way to avoid addressing the issues being presented.
Women (Nasty or otherwise) are going to be the reason that Donald Trump is NEVER President!
I am an officer; But I don't even know what a stateroom is. I haven't always been. When I was a private, I slept in a 60-man bay on bunkbeds and showered in a large communal shower and even took a **** on stools with no privacy.It sounds like you are and officer so you probably have your own stateroom and shower......You don't have to undress with your men in close quarters
Since my commission, I sleep like the men do. In the field training, I sleep where they do; usually on the ground or catnaps in the humvee. In OIF, I slept on a cot two feet away from my Sergeant the entire deployment. In fact, my whole crew (seven) slept in a 10 x 10 room together at the patrol base or on the ground...depending on the mission. In subsequent combat tours, I've slept multiple places; in tents with the whole platoon, in bunkers with my unit with a piece of plywood or bedsheet for privacy. I've certainly shared many a community showers with my troops...that almost makes me laugh. Even as the commander now, I still shower everyday after PT in the unit's communal shower.
Well, then maybe the Navy has a discipline problem, sir. I don't know. The last thing I'm concerned with is a gay soldier coming on to me or any other soldier in the unit. He would be in trouble if he did. I really don't think it's an issue. We've got bigger things to worry about. Like training for and fighting wars.Don't be like Disney Dude..........Answer this honestly...Do you think you could be stationed on a ship with all young women and be the only man? Do you think you could spend months at sea with them, sleeping inches away,undressing and showering with them? On a Navy ship that is what happens......
Well, then maybe YOU have a discipline problem, sir. You aren't one of my Soldiers so I'm not worried about it. We have mixed gender units now and yes, there are some issues with sexual advances, but it's not out of control. I'm sure if I had a gay Soldier in the unit, he would not come on to or rape any heterosexual Soldier. I think to expect that to be a widespread epidemic is pretty silly. To be honest, even if DADT is overturned, I doubt you'll see servicemembers "coming out" in droves. Especially not in all-male units like mine; but if they do, they will be afforded the same opportunities and protection from discrimination just like any other Soldier.So answer the question, could you go long periods of time in that situation and not make any advances to the women.........I can honestly say I sure as hell couldn't..........
I don't expect a rebuttal, since I just destroyed you in front of everyone.