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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Well no, but largely for the better. There have been some mistakes, but overall, the military is constantly improving, learning from past mistakes. The military has not and does not stick with the status quo.
    I have a friend on the USS STINSON ......He is a SKCM Master Chief SK....The Stinson has a zero tolerance when it comes to sexual harrassment, and the man is guilty until proven innocent.......He has about 20 women working for him and one is SK1 First class SK...He does not deal with the women at all....He runs everything through the PO1............He said on the Stinson there have been dozens of charges brought up against men for SH and to this day there have only been 2 that were dismissed........He says that on the record chiefs and officers say that women aboard combatents has worked like a charm but if you ask the same people of the record they would say it was a total failure........

    He says that if gays were allowed to serve openly it would be the same........He loves the Navy and had originally decided to stay in for 30 years.........Now he is getting out as soon as he gets his 20 years in.........He says there are a lot of chiefs that feel the same way........

    Even though I am retired from the Navy when I made Chief Petty Officer I was told it was for life and I hate to see these things happening to my Navy and like I said the Navy or the military has not been established to be a social experiment, its to fight your wars and protect you and not for political correctness............
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    How often does that happen?
    I would say 4 or 5 times in a year............I have seen the Navy send NCIS agents aboar undercover to catch gays assaulting straights.......The straights are not always innocent....On occasion they reciprocate to the advances and are discharged to.........I can't tell you how surprised I was when I found out who some of the guys were that participating in these acts...........
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I would say 4 or 5 times in a year............I have seen the Navy send NCIS agents aboar undercover to catch gays assaulting straights.......The straights are not always innocent....On occasion they reciprocate to the advances and are discharged to.........I can't tell you how surprised I was when I found out who some of the guys were that participating in these acts...........
    So they're really just all gays not assaulting each-other but performing mutual sexual activity?

    Too bad it took the NCIS to figure that one out.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Just a friendly reminder, this isn't about "if" the policy will be rescinded but "when."

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley
    Well, there's nearly 600 posts here. And as what you claim is the number of discharges above, and not why they were discharges, could you at least give me the number of the post you posted it on? And does it break it down?
    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    No I can't do that......I read every post in this thread......I suggest you do the same or you can google on it using NADT discharges since 1993.........
    Here...I'll do it for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by NavyPride
    Again you are wrong.....There have been thousand of people who violated DADT........You speak of something you know nothing about........



    http://www.sldn.org/pages/about-dadt


    About “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”
    What Is "Don't Ask, Don't Tell?"
    •Passed by Congress in 1993, DADT is a law mandating the discharge of openly gay, lesbian, or bisexual service members.
    •More than 13,500 service members have been fired under the law since 1994.



    you just know nothing about it DD
    Its post #417


    Here is the link Navy posted: Servicemembers Legal Defense Network

    Wonder why Navy is now running away from his link? Here's why:

    Military Attitudes
    73 percent of military personnel are comfortable with lesbians and gays (Zogby International, 2006).
    The younger generations, those who fight America's 21st century wars, largely don't care about whether someone is gay or not-and they do not link job performance with sexual orientation.
    One in four U.S. troops who served in Afghanistan or Iraq knows a member of their unit who is gay (Zogby, 2006).
    The Public Overwhelmingly Supports Lifting the Ban
    Majorities of weekly churchgoers (60 percent), conservatives (58 percent), and Republicans (58 percent) now favor repeal (Gallup, 2009).
    Seventy-five percent of Americans support gays serving openly - up from just 44 percent in 1993 (ABC News/Washington Post, 2008).
    Ban Hurts Military Readiness
    The U.S. must recruit and retain the greatest number of the best and brightest-especially during two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    The military has discharged almost 800 mission-critical troops and at least 59 Arabic and nine Farsi linguists under "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" in the last five years.


    Navy obviously didn't read his own link before posting it. It disproves everything he has been saying for the last 10 pages.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    So they're really just all gays not assaulting each-other but performing mutual sexual activity?

    Too bad it took the NCIS to figure that one out.
    I am surprised you find that funny, anyhow there were a few timeswhere a straight guy let a gay guy vlow him aboard ship at sea and they got caught.The straight guy would say he was not gay but the Captain would not buy it and he got the same punishment as the gay guy.......Most of the time it was gay on gay though....

    Here you go

    Well of course you are. Don't worry though, the odds of it happening are extremely low.

    About “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”
    What Is "Don't Ask, Don't Tell?"
    •Passed by Congress in 1993, DADT is a law mandating the discharge of openly gay, lesbian, or bisexual service members.
    •More than 13,500 service members have been fired under the law since 1994.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Why all the fascination with this issue? Are there that many guys on this site that are insecure in their manhood they feel it necessary to keep arguing about a life style choice such a big deal.
    It's against the rules for men to have sex with women or to harass them just rewrite those rules to include homosexuals, and if they break the rules punish hell out of them but don't throw them out end of story.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Here...I'll do it for you.

    Its post #417

    Here is the link Navy posted: Servicemembers Legal Defense Network

    Wonder why Navy is now running away from his link? Here's why:

    Military Attitudes
    73 percent of military personnel are comfortable with lesbians and gays (Zogby International, 2006).
    The younger generations, those who fight America's 21st century wars, largely don't care about whether someone is gay or not-and they do not link job performance with sexual orientation.
    One in four U.S. troops who served in Afghanistan or Iraq knows a member of their unit who is gay (Zogby, 2006).
    The Public Overwhelmingly Supports Lifting the Ban
    Majorities of weekly churchgoers (60 percent), conservatives (58 percent), and Republicans (58 percent) now favor repeal (Gallup, 2009).
    Seventy-five percent of Americans support gays serving openly - up from just 44 percent in 1993 (ABC News/Washington Post, 2008).
    Ban Hurts Military Readiness
    The U.S. must recruit and retain the greatest number of the best and brightest-especially during two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    The military has discharged almost 800 mission-critical troops and at least 59 Arabic and nine Farsi linguists under "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" in the last five years.


    Navy obviously didn't read his own link before posting it. It disproves everything he has been saying for the last 10 pages.
    The link I posted said there were over a thousand discharges of gays since 1993 and DADT was instituted.........I don't know what this is but the polling was done by and oversea polling activity.......

    Here is the info I posted about the thousands of gays being discharged.......DD said that was nothing.........


    Well of course you are. Don't worry though, the odds of it happening are extremely low.


    About “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”
    What Is "Don't Ask, Don't Tell?"
    •Passed by Congress in 1993, DADT is a law mandating the discharge of openly gay, lesbian, or bisexual service members.
    •More than 13,500 service members have been fired under the law since 1994.

    The 13,500 discharges is what he asked about
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The link I posted said there were over a thousand discharges of gays since 1993 and DADT was instituted.........I don't know what this is but the polling was done by and oversea polling activity.......

    Here is the info I posted about the thousands of gays being discharged.......DD said that was nothing.........


    Well of course you are. Don't worry though, the odds of it happening are extremely low.


    About “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”
    What Is "Don't Ask, Don't Tell?"
    •Passed by Congress in 1993, DADT is a law mandating the discharge of openly gay, lesbian, or bisexual service members.
    •More than 13,500 service members have been fired under the law since 1994.

    The 13,500 discharges is what he asked about

    Its because you didn't read your own link. The information posted is DIRECTLY from the Link that YOU yourself provided. Don't take my word for it...go back and check it out for yourself.

    In fact....EVERYONE please read Navy Prides Link. It is full of useful information on this topic.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Why all the fascination with this issue? Are there that many guys on this site that are insecure in their manhood they feel it necessary to keep arguing about a life style choice such a big deal.
    It's against the rules for men to have sex with women or to harass them just rewrite those rules to include homosexuals, and if they break the rules punish hell out of them but don't throw them out end of story.
    I can only speak from the Navy perspective but living in close quarters aboard a ship it will never work for gays to serve openly..............There will be violence on both sides and it will destroy morale and unity......
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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