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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Every reputable health organization in the United States does.
    Their claim is a reduced risk, doesn't remove it. They also encourage safe sex education, illustrate where a condom isn't effective.

    It's men who have had unprotected anal sex with men that dominate the AIDs stats.
    They're gonna use a condom upon joining the military.

    You are distorting the point by trying make it an issue of sexual orientation, when it is an issue of unsafe sexual behavior.
    I've repeatedly have made this about behavior and not orientation, and it's an issue of behavior, not just unsafe sexual behavior. It's obvious that homosexual men aren't wearing a condom, they dominate AIDS stats to the point where their behavior is twice as risky as IV drug use. So risky that when the CDC or these "reputable health organizations" above regard these same behaviors by heteros "risky"...whether they use condoms or not.

    Furthermore, the law prohibits discrimination of people based on their HIV status.
    So...you're alos gonna throw out there that a positive HIV status shouldn't prevent you from combat roles in the military?

    Are you suggesting the military go against federal law? Because you are really arguing two separate issues.
    I'm arguing the same exact issue and you're darn right the military goes against federal law...for all types of behaviors and status. That's why there is a UCMJ. That's why military law is quite different for obvious reasons.

    We were just discussing don't ask don't tell. Think that would fly in the public domain? The military goes against federal law now......pay attention!

    I'm sure this found in EVERY federal law:

    c) Any person found guilty of desertion or attempt to desert shall be punished, if the offense is committed in time of war, by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct, but if the desertion or attempt to desert occurs at any other time, by such punishment, other than death, as a court-martial may direct.
    Bet you can desert IBM or Bank Of America or your City job anytime war or peace...and the major punishment is you being fired...not shot at dawn. Does this go against federal law......CT?

    I'm sure this mirrors federal law as well.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    So...you're alos gonna throw out there that a positive HIV status shouldn't prevent you from combat roles in the military?
    The current policy is it doesn't. That is federal law. That is why it is a completely separate issue.

    If you want to discriminate against HIV positive people, then you will need to start a new thread. This is about gay people, and last time I checked, not all gay people are HIV positive.

    Also, the Uniform Code of Conduct is federal law, and it only applies to the military....so I don't know what the hell you were trying to say with your example.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    You want to repeal DADT, not me. That means it's your responsibility, not mine, to provide the framework for said policy change. The fact that I asked you to outline such a framework does not all of a sudden shift the burden of responsibility onto me, indeed, that would be truly silly.
    You asked me a question. I answered.

    Now I'm asking you the same question. Too afraid to answer? Got no answer? Don't understand the lingo? Maybe this will help...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Do you know how to read English? Because you didn't answer my question. Let's try again...
    How would you handle DADT being rescinded?

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    Answer the question.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    I say we let the service members vote on it and go by the outcome of that vote.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    VFA-131, deploying about the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower. Going to dismiss me too for not knowing about military life?
    Did I ask you anything? Besides air dales don't count...............
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I say we let the service members vote on it and go by the outcome of that vote.
    In the Navy they would lose big time..........
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Dude, everyone in the military takes orders. You aren't an exception to that. The fact that you had an officer over you should clue you into this fact.

    And if the SECNAV told you to get on your face you'd do it without question or you'd be court-martialed. End of story, old timer.
    You might have done those things but I didn't and never would.......There are ways to show superiors respect with out bowing down to them Dude.......You obviously did not learn that..............
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The current policy is it doesn't. That is federal law. That is why it is a completely separate issue.

    If you want to discriminate against HIV positive people, then you will need to start a new thread. This is about gay people, and last time I checked, not all gay people are HIV positive.

    Also, the Uniform Code of Conduct is federal law, and it only applies to the military....so I don't know what the hell you were trying to say with your example.
    Actually, someone with AIDS cannot be in the military, as his readiness is affected by illness. He would receive a medical discharge.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I say we let the service members vote on it and go by the outcome of that vote.
    Why? Should they vote on all the rules and criteria they have in the service? It is nonsense to have people vote on such things.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Did I ask you anything? Besides air dales don't count...............
    You are just jealous I had a GQ sleeper card.
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