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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    I think that issue very much needs to be raised. However, we don't allow them to serve secretly, they violate the UCMJ if they act out. The military has a zero tolerance for their behavior, allowing them to serve openly changes that. Therefore AIDS affects must be discussed
    You are avoiding the question...exactly how will allowing gays to serve openly pose a greater HIV risk than allowing them to serve secretly?

    The entire purpose of the DADT compromise was so that gays could serve. The leaders simply weren't allowed to ask them if they were gay and the gay service people weren't allowed to say they were gay; hence the name of the policy, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell".

    Seriously, you didn't even realize that much?

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You are avoiding the question...exactly how will allowing gays to serve openly pose a greater HIV risk than allowing them to serve secretly?
    We allow them to serve...as long as they do not engage in homosexual behavior...that increases the risk of HIV. Allowing them to serve openly is the same as removing the behavior from being a UCMJ violation.

    The entire purpose of the DADT compromise was so that gays could serve. The leaders simply weren't allowed to ask them if they were gay and the gay service people weren't allowed to say they were gay; hence the name of the policy, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell".
    Homosexual behavior has you removed straightaway. Repealing DADT would in effect condone homosexual behavior, the military would be forced to admit what a soldier does on his own time isn't relevant. A huge mistake in my opinion.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    We allow them to serve...as long as they do not engage in homosexual behavior...that increases the risk of HIV. Allowing them to serve openly is the same as removing the behavior from being a UCMJ violation.
    You allow them to serve as long as they practice protected anal sex? Works for me. After all, the only type of homosexual behavior that increases the risk of HIV is unprotected anal sex. Allowing them to serve openly would actually probably reduce the HIV risk because then the military could address the behavior by having condoms and such available.

    Homosexual behavior has you removed straightaway. Repealing DADT would in effect condone homosexual behavior, the military would be forced to admit what a soldier does on his own time isn't relevant. A huge mistake in my opinion.
    So we get down to the truth of the matter of your side. This is about "condoning homosexual behavior". This has nothing to do with matters of national security.
    Last edited by CriticalThought; 01-31-10 at 01:25 PM.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    My solution is not to rescind DADT. You're asking me to fix problems that I would never allow to come about.
    Wrong. I guess you forgot that you're the one that asked me how I would deal with DADT being rescinded. Here's the post:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I agree, they should be willing to do that, but a lot of the infantry folks won't, so where does that leave us? Just kick out all the conservative Christians and headstrong alpha males?
    See? You asked the question. You set the parameters (i.e. DADT has been rescinded, now what?). Now you're refusing to acknowledge that those parameters were ever set by you, AND you continue refusing to answer your own question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    by the way, you never offered any solutions either, so I guess that means you have none and are just fishing for suggestions.
    Wrong (again). I did give my ideas. Here's the post:

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    You educate them and expect them to act like the ****ing adults they're supposed to be, to follow their orders and not deviate from them for any pansy "personal reasons." You give them strict instructions and allow for one or two "oopsie" moments, so no one can cry foul about how awful and harsh it is to have to suddenly behave like a grown up. After that, they're out. If it means we ****can a bunch of bad apples, so be it. Do we really want a bunch of whiny and/or violent homophobes on the force anyway?

    Just do your damned job and get over yourself.
    See that? And you even responded to that post. Now you're pretending that I never made it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    I'm not here to solve problems you insist on creating.
    YOU created the "problem" by posing the question. The only person here refusing to answer the question is you.

    I'm not going to repeat myself again. The posts containing your question and my answer are there, and have been reposted here. YOU came up with the question of how to handle DADT being rescinded.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I agree, they should be willing to do that, but a lot of the infantry folks won't, so where does that leave us? Just kick out all the conservative Christians and headstrong alpha males?
    I will ask one last time for you to answer your own question. Thus far, you've proved only that

    1. You lie about what others have or have not said.

    2. You pose questions, then refuse to acknowledge the answers you receive.

    3. You refuse to give your own answer to the question you posed.

    4. You don't have the chops for real debate.

    FAIL
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    The military has a zero tolerance for their behavior,
    Seems to me the military should have zero tolerance for the poor behavior of those who are too afraid of gay people to serve next to them.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    If you hadn't pretended your side of the story was the only side of the story...
    I wasn't doing that. You just think I was. I'm more than willing to hear other sides of the issue. That's probably why I have such a moderate or centrist position on the matter. I see both the benefits and negatives associated with DADT.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Eschew would be a better choice of words.......
    I'm speaking subjectively....
    One man's opinion.....
    I wonder how potential recruits feel about the situation?.....
    I know I wouldn't join if it were changed.......
    That is all......
    What are you so worried about? Aren't you secure enough in your own sexuality to be in the company of gay men without feeling like a little girl?

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    What are you so worried about? Aren't you secure enough in your own sexuality to be in the company of gay men without feeling like a little girl?
    Since I received a warning, I can't say what I really want to, but......
    Since you trotted out this tired, old fallacy, why don't you roll out the other one?....
    You know, the BS one about latent homo tendencies & all that carp?....
    Equally tired, equally false, but fags & fag lovers always go there as a last line of defense.....
    Anyway.....
    How many people are in the military?.....
    Let them VOTE on it......
    If it is a majority, then so be it.....
    However, those who don't like it should be able to opt out immediately.....

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Wrong. I guess you forgot that you're the one that asked me how I would deal with DADT being rescinded. Here's the post:



    See? You asked the question. You set the parameters (i.e. DADT has been rescinded, now what?). Now you're refusing to acknowledge that those parameters were ever set by you, AND you continue refusing to answer your own question.



    Wrong (again). I did give my ideas. Here's the post:



    See that? And you even responded to that post. Now you're pretending that I never made it.



    YOU created the "problem" by posing the question. The only person here refusing to answer the question is you.

    I'm not going to repeat myself again. The posts containing your question and my answer are there, and have been reposted here. YOU came up with the question of how to handle DADT being rescinded.



    I will ask one last time for you to answer your own question. Thus far, you've proved only that

    1. You lie about what others have or have not said.

    2. You pose questions, then refuse to acknowledge the answers you receive.

    3. You refuse to give your own answer to the question you posed.

    4. You don't have the chops for real debate.

    FAIL
    You must associate big red letters with success. Too bad the fail is all your's, my dear.

    You want to repeal DADT, not me. That means it's your responsibility, not mine, to provide the framework for said policy change. The fact that I asked you to outline such a framework does not all of a sudden shift the burden of responsibility onto me, indeed, that would be truly silly. If you want to repeal DADT, then you need to tell us how it's going to be done effectively. Fact is, you can't because you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about, so, instead of admitting this painfully obvious fact, you blather and create fake debate protocols whilst emboldening your letters and splashing them in red font; last time I checked, that was a debate tactic used by high-schoolers and Sgt. Stinger.

    Thanks for playing though!


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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Since I received a warning, I can't say what I really want to, but......
    Since you trotted out this tired, old fallacy, why don't you roll out the other one?....
    You know, the BS one about latent homo tendencies & all that carp?....
    Well, maybe you do have some latent homosexual tendencies. I mean, why would you be so uncomfortable around a gay man unless you thought they might elicit feelings of arousal in you?

    Equally tired, equally false, but fags & fag lovers always go there as a last line of defense.....
    Anyway.....
    Fag-lover? Are you in grade school?

    How many people are in the military?.....
    Let them VOTE on it......
    If it is a majority, then so be it.....
    However, those who don't like it should be able to opt out immediately.....
    In case you haven't noticed, I support DADT. Problem is, homophobic dudes like you aren't helping.

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