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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    Yes, why doesn't he just do it? Executive Order, just like Clinton did in 1993. He shouldn't have to worry too much about another President overturning it, since Bush didn't overturn Clinton's.
    You can't simply overturn executive orders. Federal courts have stated that in order to reverse the executive orders new regulations have to be created in their place. Bush didn't overturn Clinton's executive orders because he couldn't do more than put a freeze on them. You have to create new regulations which are in accordance to the guidelines set by the courts. No president has the authority to simply revoke or ignore the executive orders of the previous administrations.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

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    You can't simply overturn executive orders. Federal courts have stated that in order to reverse the executive orders new regulations have to be created in their place. Bush didn't overturn Clinton's executive orders because he couldn't do more than put a freeze on them. You have to create new regulations which are in accordance to the guidelines set by the courts. No president has the authority to simply revoke or ignore the executive orders of the previous administrations.
    Presidents have the authority to adopt executive orders that dictate how the executive branch of the government conducts its affairs.

    "Obama has spent his first days in office aggressively signing executive orders reversing Bush administration policies on issues ranging from foreign policy to government operations."
    Obama reverses U.S. abortion-funding policy - USATODAY.com

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Bush had better policy? "9/11, ****. Wait, now we can go into Iraq, we've got a totally awesome plan for how to deal with it! It's going to be great!"
    bush was a loser

    why do you compare obama to bush?

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    bush was a loser

    why do you compare obama to bush?
    Yes he was.

    I compare them because he was the last President, and from the opposing party.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    Presidents have the authority to adopt executive orders that dictate how the executive branch of the government conducts its affairs.

    "Obama has spent his first days in office aggressively signing executive orders reversing Bush administration policies on issues ranging from foreign policy to government operations."
    Obama reverses U.S. abortion-funding policy - USATODAY.com
    Did you read what I said? Because you just repeated yourself. Here :

    Clinton's Executive Orders

    President Reagan came into office and put an immediate freeze on Jimmy Carter's midnight regulations. But when it came time to begin to reverse these orders, President Reagan found himself thwarted by federal courts that ruled that existing regulations could not be arbitrarily ignored or revoked. Instead, they required that new regulations be crafted to reverse old ones. And this process is a lengthy one which requires advance notice and public comment.
    Regardless of how you think executive orders work, it is not a simple as coming up with a new executive order to reverse and old one. Bush policy was to limit funding and with this limiting came a series of new regulations. Obama would have to create a new set to counter that and Bush did before he signs an executive order.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Did you read what I said? Because you just repeated yourself. Here :

    Clinton's Executive Orders



    Regardless of how you think executive orders work, it is not a simple as coming up with a new executive order to reverse and old one. Bush policy was to limit funding and with this limiting came a series of new regulations. Obama would have to create a new set to counter that and Bush did before he signs an executive order.
    Perhaps you should do some more research...here is one example from an Obama E.O.:

    "...Sec. 6. Revocation. Executive Order 13233 of November 1, 2001, is revoked.

    BARACK OBAMA

    THE WHITE HOUSE,
    January 21, 2009"


    Executive Order -- Presidential Records | The White House

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    Perhaps you should do some more research...
    Why don't you try reading? Please try? Obama revoked a 1 page order by Bush. That means nothing in regards to DADT. Why? "DADT" involves the USC and basically changing American laws. It is a lot more complicated than simply signing an executive order to reverse it or adding "revoked" at the bottom of an order which simply limits access to presidential records. Why? Because Obama would have to replace the REGULATIONS and policies within the entire military. Seriously. It is the difference between buying a house and a twinkie.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why don't you try reading? Please try? Obama revoked a 1 page order by Bush. That means nothing in regards to DADT. Why? "DADT" involves the USC and basically changing American laws. It is a lot more complicated than simply signing an executive order to reverse it or adding "revoked" at the bottom of an order which simply limits access to presidential records. Why? Because Obama would have to replace the REGULATIONS and policies within the entire military. Seriously. It is the difference between buying a house and a twinkie.
    Here is what I can find: Think Progress White House Rejects CAP’s Recommendations To Suspend DADT Through Executive Order

    Yesterday, the Center for American Progress released a report detailing a clear, realistic, and comprehensive road map for repealing ďDonít Ask, Donít Tell,Ē the discriminatory ban on gay men and women serving openly in the military. The steps include:

    1. Signing an Executive Order banning further military separations based on DADT and sending a legislative proposal on DADT repeal to Congress

    2. Forming a presidential panel on how to implement the repeal

    3. Repealing DADT in Congress and changing the Uniformed Code of Military Justice, or UCMS

    4. Changing other necessary military guidelines to conform to the new policy

    5. Following-up to ensure that the armed forces implement the policy changes
    So what he can do it appears, if this is accurate, is stop any further separations for violations of DADT, but congress has to change the actual laws involved.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Here is what I can find: Think Progress White House Rejects CAP’s Recommendations To Suspend DADT Through Executive Order

    So what he can do it appears, if this is accurate, is stop any further separations for violations of DADT, but congress has to change the actual laws involved.
    Don't you see? If Obama simply says Executive Order....DADT disappears. People simply do not understand that opposition to DADT is opposition to a law. Not the executive order which made it law. The most Obama can do is put a freeze on the practice. Appealing it would actually take a lot longer.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Don't you see? If Obama simply says Executive Order....DADT disappears. People simply do not understand that opposition to DADT is opposition to a law. Not the executive order which made it law. The most Obama can do is put a freeze on the practice. Appealing it would actually take a lot longer.
    That is my understanding, yes. To change the military regulations, Congress needs to do it.
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