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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Everyone knows gays serve now....no revelations there...and a lot of been discharged for violating the UCMJ........
    You don't understand yet do you? People are saying that how a professional behaves should still be top priority. What should be removed is the rules which make it possible to remove somebody from the military simply for being gay when no incident has occurred. If anything DADT is anti-constitutional. The U.S. government would never fire a federal employee for being gay. The fact that it allows this for the military is quite ridiculous and illogical.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

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    Let's consider something Navy.

    The US military now fights wars in considerably more coalitions with other nations. That means that our servicemen and women are now conducting more and more missions with the servicemen and women of other nations. Now as has already been stated, unit cohesion goes down in our inferior military when our servicemen and women serve alongside openly gay and lesbian people. But alas, all those countries that we form coalitions with allow openly gay and lesbian people to serve. That means even if we don't allow gays and lesbians to serve in our military, our servicemen and women will be fighting alongside openly gay and lesbian people from other nations. And that of course means, that our inferior military could not possibly successfully conduct missions, because of the presence of those foreign gay and lesbian people.

    Oh woe is us for having such a pathetic military!

    What a wicked liberal social experiment that has been going on since....well....the beginning of the war in Iraq.

    I have a news flash for you my left wing friend.......Joint exercises between nations is nothing new.....It has been going on for years........In fact they have a huge one every year off the coast of Hawaii called Operation RIMPAC where ships of many nations operate together........

    Try again..............
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I have a news flash for you my left wing friend.......Joint exercises between nations is nothing new.....It has been going on for years........In fact they have a huge one every year off the coast of Hawaii called Operation RIMPAC where ships of many nations operate together........

    Try again..............
    It is not about joint exercises Navy. It is about militaries all over the world having homosexuals in their armed forces and it having zero effect in their cohesion or performance.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Let's consider something Navy. The US military now fights wars in considerably more coalitions with other nations.
    But....the US Navy being unique in that is is our job to keep the planet's sea lanes open for maritime commerce and free trade and that responsibility they've done very well, shouldn't we and not some fluid coalition group decide such issues? It is obvious nations enjoying the resources of production do so with the United States making sure from the Straits in Hormuz to the piracy threats on the African coast, that these nations who are so closely allied in economic dependency, can count on security and stablility.

    Given this, why not we make our own rules. Everyone else learn from us. We're the ones with ships and subs out for 6 and 8 months, we're the ones with men and women in close proximity in war zones deployed for years. What say we make the rules?
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You don't understand yet do you? People are saying that how a professional behaves should still be top priority. What should be removed is the rules which make it possible to remove somebody from the military simply for being gay when no incident has occurred. If anything DADT is anti-constitutional. The U.S. government would never fire a federal employee for being gay. The fact that it allows this for the military is quite ridiculous and illogical.
    Your the one who is clueless when it comes to life aboard a Navy ship at sea...Your the one it makes feel so good that you can take up the plight of gays in the military...Its no skin off your ass.It will not affect you one way or the other.......Well let me tell you something it does affect those guys serving on ships working 16 hours a day and staying at sea for long periods of time...........


    DADT is a law my left wing friend.....it met the constitutional requirements when it was made in 1993..................
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I have a news flash for you my left wing friend.......Joint exercises between nations is nothing new.....It has been going on for years........In fact they have a huge one every year off the coast of Hawaii called Operation RIMPAC where ships of many nations operate together........

    Try again..............
    Oh, I'm sorry. You mean to say that our servicemen and women have been conducting operations with openly gay and lesbian servicepeople from other countries for years? Wow, how interesting that is my right wing friend. Remind me again how serving alongside openly gay and lesbian people is suppose to be a dangerous social experiment?

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It is not about joint exercises Navy. It is about militaries all over the world having homosexuals in their armed forces and it having zero effect in their cohesion or performance.
    I explained that to you...I am not going to do it again..Read the ****ing thread.........
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Oh, I'm sorry. You mean to say that our servicemen and women have been conducting operations with openly gay and lesbian servicepeople from other countries for years? Wow, how interesting that is my right wing friend. Remind me again how serving alongside openly gay and lesbian people is suppose to be a dangerous social experiment?
    Sure they have, at sea, with them on their own ship, not sleeping and showering with them .......huge difference........
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Your the one who is clueless when it comes to life aboard a Navy ship at sea...Your the one it makes feel so good that you can take up the plight of gays in the military...Its no skin off your ass.It will not affect you one way or the other.......Well let me tell you something it does affect those guys serving on ships working 16 hours a day and staying at sea for long periods of time...........
    This is the last post I'll make on this because now you're just getting stubborn and I have to take my kid to the clinic. But please, I beg you to try and read my post and understand what it is I'm saying :

    What people have stated is that gays already are in the military. They already spend 16 hours a day working alongside straights, they already shower with straights, the already eat with straights, sleep alongside straights and in the majority of cases zero incident occurs.

    What people have stated is that if it is found that a member serving is gay, that should not be grounds for expulsion because their sexuality does not affect their job performance or that of anybody around them. If a discrepancy does occur, they should be treated no different than any other member of the armed forces. But the fact that they are gay should not be enough to kick them out.

    DADT is a law my left wing friend.....it met the constitutional requirements when it was made in 1993..................
    As far as meeting constitutional requirements that is laughable. A law can be found to be unconstitutional after it has been passed.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Sure they have, at sea, with them on their own ship, not sleeping and showering with them .......huge difference........
    Except for all the gays and lesbians that are sleeping and showering with them on their own ship that they just don't know about because they aren't allowed to serve openly.

    I've figured it out from reading your posts Navy. DADT works for you because it allows you to pretend there are no gays currently living on board ships. That is hilarious!

    The only difference that repealing DADT will have is that all the gay people who are currently serving in secret will be allowed to serve openly.
    Last edited by CriticalThought; 01-30-10 at 03:44 PM.

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