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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Most people that serve in the Navy are not racist....In fact a small percentage are..........They reflect society in general.........I served on 6 ships and never saw any problems with racism or any disciplinary problems..........No captains masts or court martial..........You really have a bad example here.....Why don't you quit while your only losing by a little bit..........
    Really? I was witness to one incident, where a young black guy had the absolute temerity to say yes when a white girl asked him to dance. When he returned to where we where sitting, one of the guys(who probably had been hoping to try and put the moves on this girl) said "we don't like niggers dancing with white girls". He not surprisingly went to Captain's mast for it, and did 60/60 with R in R and half months pay X2.

    The funny thing is that the white people, including myself who where there where the most pissed. It was the black guys who kept a couple of the white guys from stomping on the racist bastard. I am pretty sure that a decade or so from now, if you changes this to be about straits and gays, the story would be almost identical. The military always resists change, but the military does change, and change alot.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Navy the problem is that gays already serve with other troops for 90 days at sea. They already shower, eat, sleep with other sailors and they already are disciplined when their behaviour is unprofessional so stating that there would be a difference between serving openly and serving in the closet is quite ridiculous. What you fail to understand is that people aren't trying to appeal the fact that they should be allowed to serve openly on its own. They are appealing the discriminatory practices that involve somebody being kicked out simply for being gay.
    This is exactly it. Gays already serve, and have proven that they can fit in and be a part of the team, without disruption or any loss of unit cohesion or morale. Those who have done so are the reason we are at the point we are now, where we can remove DADT without real worry of negative consequences. We owe a debt of gratitude to these men and women, not just for their service to country, but for the fact they did it with an added burden, and did it well enough that they have changed the attitudes of a large portion of their fellow military personnel.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Who cares what you think? Specially when you don't read posts?
    Gays don't serve openly, I read your posts. And while you're not caring what I think, I'll tend to care for what you think and expose why it's wrong-headed.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I have no problem working with him but after work we go our separate ways...We don't shower or sleep together.........Huge difference if you in the Navy.....that is 24/7 that you will spend with other sailors......
    Wow....you would think that if most men were unable to control themselves like you have said that you wouldn't be able to control yourself that these gay men in the Navy would be all over each other and sexually assaulting straight men at every turn.

    I guess this just proves that most men aren't like you Navy. Most are able to control their sexual urges.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Captain Courtesy is giving thanks to separate but equal?
    No, read my comment. I wasn't thanking his post because I agree with it. I've dealt with '70's guy before, and I find his positions on things uninformed and abhorrent. I thanked his post because I appreciate his honesty. At least he's not claiming a belief in equality, while hypocritically stating the exact opposite... like lots of folks on the anti-GM side do. At least he admits his homophobia, rather than hiding it. His positions on this may be unfounded but he is consistent and honest about them. I can respect that.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    I couldn't have said it better, well put......
    Of course you couldn't since like him, your position on this issue is absurd, unfounded, and abhorrent. As long as you are aware of that, if that is the position you want, that's fine. Just be aware of what kind of position it is.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    The military isn't a social science lab. Leave it be. It was bad enough when they let women serve on ships and fly fighters...

    Hell, I got sent to "sensitivity training" with the ships Chaplin once! Why? I was on the fantail havin' a smoke, and about 4 people asked to bum a light. The fifth kid comes up, young black kid I think he was in Deck Department, and I said "Sure is a dearth of lighters today" as I held out my lighter.

    What did the kid do, he kind of looked at me odd, walked away and the next day I got counceled for being insensitive and sent to the Chaplin for "Racial Sensitivity Training" because the kid thought I used a big word to insult him. No ****, true story.

    The military doesn't need more social engineering crap.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The military isn't a social science lab. Leave it be. It was bad enough when they let women serve on ships and fly fighters...

    Hell, I got sent to "sensitivity training" with the ships Chaplin once! Why? I was on the fantail havin' a smoke, and about 4 people asked to bum a light. The fifth kid comes up, young black kid I think he was in Deck Department, and I said "Sure is a dearth of lighters today" as I held out my lighter.

    What did the kid do, he kind of looked at me odd, walked away and the next day I got counceled for being insensitive and sent to the Chaplin for "Racial Sensitivity Training" because the kid thought I used a big word to insult him. No ****, true story.

    The military doesn't need more social engineering crap.
    WTF? You where allowed to smoke on the fantail? When was this? The last workup I went on, there where a total of 10 designated smoking areas on the ship and just walking into any of them and taking one breath got you all the nicotine you needed for days.

    Women on ships worked MrV, as did blacks in the same berthings(which by the way is not spelled "birthings" like I originally typed), as did all these "social experiments".

    As far as your story, the military tends to overreact to some things. Where you in during the Tailhook scandal? In the course of the year after that, we went through no less than 8 full days of sexual harassment training, including 2 two day events, and we all went to small week long training sessions on the topic.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    WTF? You where allowed to smoke on the fantail? When was this? The last workup I went on, there where a total of 10 designated smoking areas on the ship and just walking into any of them and taking one breath got you all the nicotine you needed for days.
    1998-2002...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Women on ships worked MrV, as did blacks in the same berthings(which by the way is not spelled "birthings" like I originally typed), as did all these "social experiments".
    So, I was busy cooking Steak and Eggs for my wife...

    My problem with Females on Ships isn't that they are INCAPABLE of doing the job... it's that their being there becomes a distraction... which it does. And that if a shop has say 5 people, and one or more of them prior to a deployment gets pregnant, often there isn't enough time to replace that person, so the others have to pull extra duty. Which is really bull****. Happened on the Inchon far more often then you might want to admit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    As far as your story, the military tends to overreact to some things. Where you in during the Tailhook scandal? In the course of the year after that, we went through no less than 8 full days of sexual harassment training, including 2 two day events, and we all went to small week long training sessions on the topic.
    I remember my father was pissed as HELL about Tailhook. He thought the whole thing was overblown (wrong on the guys part but still) and the Media ran with that in a way that was way unacceptable.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post

    I'll just quote you then:

    "Of course, you do realize that sodomy =/= HIV (just as sodomy =/= gay), right?"

    And then ask you to further define that
    Further define it? Are you serious?

    My meaning is perfectly clear and 100% factual:

    Performing an act of sodomy does not mean you are going to contract HVI, just as performing an act of sodomy does not mean you are gay.

    And by the way, you should also know that serving in the military with a homosexual won't make you a homosexual.

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