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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

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    There is no military in the world like the U.S. Military......Most of them go to work in the morning and come home at night.......They do not have to be the number one police force of the world....

    I still can't get over how people like you who have never served have the gall to tell the military how to run their business........
    I concur, the British Navy cant match this[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw"]YouTube- In the Navy[/ame]
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

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    I think the point he is making is attempted rapes do happen males on male aboard ship.........I testified at a court marital where and E4 tried to take advantage of and E2... He was so brazen that he took the E2 to th club, got him drunk and brought him back to the ship........The E2 passed out in his rack above the one the E4 was sleeping in.......Five minutes after taps sounded and the light were turned off in the berthing compartment the E4 reached up above him and under the blanket of the E2......He with his other hand began to masturbate....Myself and another E5 sleeping across from him jumped up and turned on the lights and went in the Head where we discussed the situation.....We decided to put the E4 on report.....He wrote him up and I witnessed it...We went back into the berthing compartment and informed the E4 he was on report....We then hit our racks.......The next morning the E4 got up and acted like nothing had happened.......

    To make a long story short he was tried and convicted at a court martial and discharged with and undesireable discharge........He admitted during the court martial he was gay and had joined the Navy to be around men......

    This guy was a good worker and I never expected that he was gay....I was totally shocked.......At his courtmartial he said he was so attracted to the E2 that he could not help himself.......

    I saw incidents like this through out my Navy career.....
    NP, the guy had a problem. This is NOT common behavior for gays, or men in general. When you are in a supermarket and you see a pretty woman, do you rape her? No, you don't. The issue is not homosexuality, or even hormones. The issue is that incidents like the one you described are about power and violence, not about sex.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by 70s_guy View Post
    I'm not a friend of political correctness. I can easily work with gays in the workplace and have without any issues as long as they are all professional in conduct. And will be friendly and considerate with them socially within the workplace or in public, but outside those areas I choose to avoid homosexuals because I do not trust them. Its a underlying subtle homophobia much the same as as I would not trust certain types of men around my wife or girl friends. I've never had a single gay thought in my life because such has always been a taboo much like incest. And I am not afraid to say that I do not approve of the homosexual lifestyle. Not that I think such ought not be allowed as what is behind closed doors out of sight, out of mind, within their own clubs and gatherings, is their private business. But within our heterosexual dominant society and culture, I do not want to hear it, see it, or think about it because it is disgusting to this person. And like the many others like me acting gay or flaunting such can provoke violent tendencies. Accordingly I do not want to ever see homosexuals making out in public or on tv nor allow children to. So allowed yes, equal rights in public no.

    Now given my honest conservative viewpoint above, I would agree to allow gays in the military however not without restrictions. I've been in the military and there were always some young men that were hot headed, emotional, with a tendency to be violent. Putting gays in with such groups is certain to cause problems. So gays might be allowed in certain technical career fields and stateside desk jobs where they are not having to live in close quarters with lower level enlisted men some of which are certain to have similar attitude as this person.
    Although, as usual, I find your views and positions on this issue ridiculous and abhorrent. I do appreciate your honesty and civility in expressing them. Most on your side of the issue do neither.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

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    Don't worry about it...........Its Hatuey......we spar like this all the time until we get gigged by the mods...........


    Since I'm the one usually doing the gigging, I had to say I found this witty and funny, NP.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    There is no military in the world like the U.S. Military......Most of them go to work in the morning and come home at night.......They do not have to be the number one police force of the world....

    I still can't get over how people like you who have never served have the gall to tell the military how to run their business........
    I didn't say the military had to get rid of its "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy. I was just making an observation that our military is so unprofessional that it can't do what 24 other countries have done. Isn't that the argument that people are making? That out military is so unprofessional that allowing gays to openly serve would decay unit cohesion?

    And FYI, I would like to serve, but there is a little problem. If I joined, I would be kicked out for being gay. That is kind of interesting, isn't? According to you, I'm not allowed to comment on military policy because I haven't served, but I can't serve because of military policy.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by 70s_guy View Post
    So gays might be allowed in certain technical career fields and stateside desk jobs where they are not having to live in close quarters with lower level enlisted men some of which are certain to have similar attitude as this person.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by 70s_guy View Post
    I'm not a friend of political correctness. I can easily work with gays in the workplace and have without any issues as long as they are all professional in conduct. And will be friendly and considerate with them socially within the workplace or in public, but outside those areas I choose to avoid homosexuals because I do not trust them. Its a underlying subtle homophobia much the same as as I would not trust certain types of men around my wife or girl friends. I've never had a single gay thought in my life because such has always been a taboo much like incest. And I am not afraid to say that I do not approve of the homosexual lifestyle. Not that I think such ought not be allowed as what is behind closed doors out of sight, out of mind, within their own clubs and gatherings, is their private business. But within our heterosexual dominant society and culture, I do not want to hear it, see it, or think about it because it is disgusting to this person. And like the many others like me acting gay or flaunting such can provoke violent tendencies. Accordingly I do not want to ever see homosexuals making out in public or on tv nor allow children to. So allowed yes, equal rights in public no.

    Now given my honest conservative viewpoint above, I would agree to allow gays in the military however not without restrictions. I've been in the military and there were always some young men that were hot headed, emotional, with a tendency to be violent. Putting gays in with such groups is certain to cause problems. So gays might be allowed in certain technical career fields and stateside desk jobs where they are not having to live in close quarters with lower level enlisted men some of which are certain to have similar attitude as this person.
    I couldn't have said it better, well put......

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I personally did not know any that were homophobic but then gays are not allowed to serve openly and for morale readiness and cohesion it should stay that way...........Its easy for someone like you who has no clue what it is like to run his mouth and the issue......Your not in..........you don't go to sea for up to 90 days at a time............Its no skin off your ass.........
    Navy the problem is that gays already serve with other troops for 90 days at sea. They already shower, eat, sleep with other sailors and they already are disciplined when their behaviour is unprofessional so stating that there would be a difference between serving openly and serving in the closet is quite ridiculous. What you fail to understand is that people aren't trying to appeal the fact that they should be allowed to serve openly on its own. They are appealing the discriminatory practices that involve somebody being kicked out simply for being gay.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Navy the problem is that gays already serve with other troops for 90 days at sea. They already shower, eat, sleep with other sailors and they already are disciplined when their behaviour is unprofessional so stating that there would be a difference between serving openly and serving in the closet is quite ridiculous. What you fail to understand is that people aren't trying to appeal the fact that they should be allowed to serve openly on its own. They are appealing the discriminatory practices that involve somebody being kicked out simply for being gay.
    They do not serve as open gays and if they already do serve and are thrown out for behavior, then I can see no reason for changing the law.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

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    They do not serve as open gays and if they already do serve and are thrown out for behavior, then I can see no reason for changing the law.
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