• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

Navy Pride said:
You know I laugh every time you Liberals make the comparison between the plight of Gays and of Blacks and I am not saying Gays have not had a hard time but to compare the 2 is ludicrous and an insult to every black man..............
Click to expand...

Nobody is saying gays have had as hard a time as blacks, though that's debatable. They were both treated unjustly.
 
Navy Pride said:
You forgot that Black had 400 years of slavery........just a minor detail.........

Beccause they went through living hell............
Click to expand...

Ever hear of Mathew Shepherd?
Matthew Wayne Shepard (December 1, 1976 – October 12, 1998) was a 21-year-old student at the University of Wyoming who was tortured and murdered near Laramie, Wyoming in October 1998. He was attacked on the night of October 6–7, and died at Poudre Valley Hospital in Fort Collins, Colorado, on October 12 from severe head injuries.

During the trial, witnesses stated that Shepard was targeted because he was gay.
Click to expand...
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard]Matthew Shepard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Is one man's torture and death any less than another's?
 
misterman said:
Nobody is saying gays have had as hard a time as blacks, though that's debatable. They were both treated unjustly.
Click to expand...

Debateable only to you and most blacks believe its and insult to make the comparison...........

Most people don't even know someone is gay unless someone tells thms.......That is not the situation with blaccks...they can not hide their blackness..must be you can see the difference....probably not.............
 
Navy Pride said:
Most people don't even know someone is gay unless someone tells thms.......That is not the situation with blaccks...they can not hide their blackness..must be you can see the difference....probably not.............
Click to expand...

Irrelevant, since that never stopped the military from having segregated units.
 
ADK_Forever said:
Ever hear of Mathew Shepherd?

Matthew Shepard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Is one man's torture and death any less than another's?
Click to expand...

Yeah I have and its tragic and a crime and the guys that did that were tried and convicted......

I don't have a link but there was a case down south where some gay guys killed and mutilated by some gay guys......whether you believe that I could care less but it happened........

Oh and I am not disputing the MS incident but you might like to know that wikepedia is not gospel....there are many lies there.........

I love the way you have changed the subject from the topic of the thread...............
 
Navy Pride said:
You forgot that Black had 400 years of slavery........just a minor detail.........

Beccause they went through living hell............
Click to expand...

You never answered:

How is this different than when a gay guy/lesbian gets the boot?
(Compared to when someone has to cover for a preggo.)
 
CrusaderRabbit08 said:
Irrelevant, since that never stopped the military from having segregated units.
Click to expand...

The point he and I were arguing was that gays have had it just as hard as blacks and that is simply not true............now go back to sleep.........
 
Navy Pride said:
Debateable only to you and most blacks believe its and insult to make the comparison...........
Click to expand...

So? They're wrong.

Most people don't even know someone is gay unless someone tells thms.......That is not the situation with blaccks...they can not hide their blackness..must be you can see the difference....probably not.............
Click to expand...

They shouldn't have to hide it. And hiding it often meant risking extreme consequences, even violence, if found out. No dating, no living with a boyfriend or girlfriend, nothing.

Are you going to sit here and deny that gays can be discriminated against? Are you really going to play that game?
 
Navy Pride said:
Yeah I have and its tragic and a crime and the guys that did that were tried and convicted......

I don't have a link but there was a case down south where some gay guys killed and mutilated by some gay guys......whether you believe that I could care less but it happened........

Oh and I am not disputing the MS incident but you might like to know that wikepedia is not gospel....there are many lies there.........

I love the way you have changed the subject from the topic of the thread...............
Click to expand...

You opened up this line of questions. I'm just looking for you to back up your assertions.
 
I doubt you'll get a reasonable answer.

When asked when he last saw active duty, his response is "I live 10 miles from a military base!"

:roll:
 
ADK_Forever said:
You never answered:

How is this different than when a gay guy/lesbian gets the boot?
(Compared to when someone has to cover for a preggo.)
Click to expand...

No one has to know the guy is gay......everyone knows the black guy is black.......
 
Navy Pride said:
I don't have a link but there was a case down south where some gay guys killed and mutilated by some gay guys......whether you believe that I could care less but it happened........
Click to expand...

And if there is ever a gay Navy, it should let straights serve openly too.

I love the way you have changed the subject from the topic of the thread...............
Click to expand...

No, you did.
 
Navy Pride said:
The point he and I were arguing was that gays have had it just as hard as blacks and that is simply not true............now go back to sleep.........
Click to expand...

That point is irrelevant to what I quoted from you.
 
Navy Pride said:
No one has to know the guy is gay......everyone knows the black guy is black.......
Click to expand...

Nobody should have to live a secret life just to have the same rights as everyone else.

Would you say we could discriminate against, say, Catholics? They can keep their religion secret too, even pretend to be a different one. Should they be required to?
 
Glinda said:
I doubt you'll get a reasonable answer.

When asked when he last saw active duty, his response is "I live 10 miles from a military base!"

:roll:
Click to expand...

Have a good laugh but you failed to mention that I worked for the Navy for 21years after I retired from the military on a daily basis dealing with the officer and enlistedmen on air craft carriers here at the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard........Laugh that one off........
 
Navy Pride said:
Have a good laugh but you failed to mention that I worked for the Navy for 21years after I retired from the military on a daily basis dealing with the officer and enlistedmen on air craft carriers here at the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard........Laugh that one off........
Click to expand...

When did you last see active duty?
 
Navy Pride said:
No one has to know the guy is gay......everyone knows the black guy is black.......
Click to expand...

Which made it very easy for the military to segregate them into their own units.

Since they can't spot the gay ones, they have DADT.
 
misterman said:
And if there is ever a gay Navy, it should let straights serve openly too.



No, you did.
Click to expand...

I will use the tact he used..........Can't you let him speak for himself..:rofl

As far as your statement I have no idea what your talking about........
 
Navy Pride said:
No one has to know the guy is gay......everyone knows the black guy is black.......
Click to expand...

Huh?

How are these 2 situations NOT similar:

1) Sailor Sam has to cover for Sailor Sally because she is pregnant.

2) Sailors Sam, Sally, Steve, Scott and Seth have to go on a mission designed for 6, with only 5, because the Navy kicked sailor Samantha out for being gay. There is no immediate replacement with Samantha's level of training and experience. Oh yeah, sailor Samantha was the squad leader.
 
misterman said:
Nobody should have to live a secret life just to have the same rights as everyone else.

Would you say we could discriminate against, say, Catholics? They can keep their religion secret too, even pretend to be a different one. Should they be required to?
Click to expand...

You just don't get it and you never will..........To compare the plight of gays to blacks is ludicrous....

What are you talking about? what planet are you from.......Cathlics do what?????????????????????????????????????????????

I am a Roman Catholic and I won't even dignify that with and answer except you really have a problem.............
 
Navy Pride said:
You just don't get it and you never will..........To compare the plight of gays to blacks is ludicrous....
Click to expand...

Nobody is "comparing" the severity of their plight. But they were both discriminated against, and those who did so used very similar arguments for the discrimination. I know, that requires some subtle thinking, but try it.

What are you talking about? what planet are you from.......Cathlics do what?????????????????????????????????????????????

I am a Roman Catholic and I won't even dignify that with and answer except you really have a problem.............
Click to expand...

Good. That's perfect. Then settle down and consider my question.

Suppose someone suggested a "don't ask don't tell" policy for Catholics? You can serve, as long as you don't tell anyone you are Catholic. You can easily hide it. What would you say? After you freaked out, I mean?

Would you say it's just as wrong as discriminating against blacks was? Yes? Or would you say it was okay because you just can't compare it to what blacks went through?

It's a hypothetical. Nobody is suggesting we actually do this, remember.
 
misterman said:
Nobody is "comparing" the severity of their plight. But they were both discriminated against, and those who did so used very similar arguments for the discrimination. I know, that requires some subtle thinking, but try it.



Good. That's perfect. Then settle down and consider my question.

Suppose someone suggested a "don't ask don't tell" policy for Catholics? You can serve, as long as you don't tell anyone you are Catholic. You can easily hide it. What would you say? After you freaked out, I mean?

Would you say it's just as wrong as discriminating against blacks was? Yes? Or would you say it was okay because you just can't compare it to what blacks went through?

It's a hypothetical. Nobody is suggesting we actually do this, remember.
Click to expand...

So you have a problem with Roman Catholics and their so called secrecy huh?
 
misterman said:
Nobody is "comparing" the severity of their plight. But they were both discriminated against, and those who did so used very similar arguments for the discrimination. I know, that requires some subtle thinking, but try it.



Good. That's perfect. Then settle down and consider my question.

Suppose someone suggested a "don't ask don't tell" policy for Catholics? You can serve, as long as you don't tell anyone you are Catholic. You can easily hide it. What would you say? After you freaked out, I mean?

Would you say it's just as wrong as discriminating against blacks was? Yes? Or would you say it was okay because you just can't compare it to what blacks went through?

It's a hypothetical. Nobody is suggesting we actually do this, remember.
Click to expand...

Yes someone was comparing their plight.....He even listed the things they went through (forgot slavery though) I repeat since you are speaking for him, there is no comparison...........

That is ridiculous......where do you come up with this **** at.........Do you have any idea how it hurts what little creditability you might have? You are starting to sound like Hatuey......
 
Last edited:
Folks, this is not about Navy Pride. Please do not turn it into that. He served his country, that is a worthy and honorable thing to do. He is wrong on this issue, but don't go after his service.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom