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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Don't closeted gays in the military already do this?
    You are assuming quite a bit in that statement

    #1 that all men are beautiful on a ship. Lol

    #2 and most importantly you are assuming a genetic connection with homosexuality which has never been proven
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    You are assuming quite a bit in that statement

    #1 that all men are beautiful on a ship. Lol

    #2 and most importantly you are assuming a genetic connection with homosexuality which has never been proven
    Where did you get point number 2 from?
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    ...was in response to a specific point made by another person, who said that we should just get rid of anyone that might be uncomfortable with a gay person serving in their unit;
    You are so full of crap. I said no such thing. Didn't even imply it.

    Here's the exchange, for those who need their memories refreshed...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Everyone makes sacrifices when they join the military - gays are no exception. Serving isn't about some Hollywood ideal of flags waving and people being proud of their individuality. It's about winning and protecting the country, period. If DADT helps to serve that end, and I think it does to some extent, then it's a sacrifice any gay patriotic American should be willing to make. I mean, I sure as hell wasn't "myself" when I was in the Marines. No, I was a damn pawn who did what he was told when he was told to do it, but that's what I signed up for, so who am I to bitch?
    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    And ignoring everyone else's sexual preferences should be a sacrifice any straight patriotic American should be willing to make.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I agree, they should be willing to do that, but a lot of the infantry folks won't, so where does that leave us? Just kick out all the conservative Christians and headstrong alpha males? That's like 90% of the Marine Corps infantry!
    YOU are the one suggesting that we "kick out all the conservative Christians and headstrong alpha males." I never even got close to that steaming pile of crap you're lobbing around.

    You are a blatant and shameless liar, and

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I'm not going to waste my time debating you if you're going to misrepresent what I say.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Glinda claims just as much sodomy... is happening between hetero couples.
    Oh look. Another bull****ter doing his "I'm a Big Fat LIAR" dance.... Are you really so stupid to think no one will notice or call you on the crap you spew?

    Fact is, I neither said nor implied any such thing.

    This is the specific exchange, which started with me quoting a WebMD article (in an attempt to educate someone else who seemed to believe that sodomy was a strictly gay activity), and ended with me quoting the CDC study that you provided.

    Many Straight Men Have Gay Sex
    Nearly 10% of Self-Proclaimed 'Straight' Men Only Have Sex With Men

    Sept. 18, 2006 -- Nearly one in 10 men who say they're straight have sex only with other men, a New York City survey finds.

    And 70% of those straight-identified men having sex with men are married.

    In fact, 10% of all married men in this survey report same-sex behavior during the past year. --WebMD Health News
    I guess you didn't like the WebMD statistics, so you tried to make this debate about HIV infection rates, which, like sodomy, also has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS DISCUSSION.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    From your link:
    The largest population living with HIV (45%) comprised men who have sex with men (MSM), followed by persons infected through high-risk heterosexual contact (27%)...
    More than half of those living with HIV did not contract it through homosexual activities.
    How you can possibly imagine that *I* am responsible for these statistics is quite the mystery. You do understand that I am neither WebMD nor the CDC, don't you?

    Your beef (as ignorant and off-topic as it is) is with them, and I'll thank you to stop putting words in my mouth.


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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Only the Dem-controlled Congress can stop this.

    Never mind that a Dem-controlled congress under a Dem President created it.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    and I'll thank you to stop putting words in my mouth.
    geez...

    I'll just quote you then:

    "Of course, you do realize that sodomy =/= HIV (just as sodomy =/= gay), right?"

    And then ask you to further define that minus all the ranting insults and stuff.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    #2 and most importantly you are assuming a genetic connection with homosexuality which has never been proven
    Why do you lie?

    Homosexual behavior due to genetics and environmental factors | Eureka! Science News

    Homosexual behaviour is largely shaped by genetics and random environmental factors, according to findings from the world's largest study of twins. Writing in the scientific journal Archives of Sexual Behavior, researchers from Queen Mary's School of Biological and Chemical Sciences, and Karolinska Institutet in Stockholm report that genetics and environmental factors (which are specific to an individual, and may include biological processes such as different hormone exposure in the womb), are important determinants of homosexual behaviour.

    Dr Qazi Rahman, study co-author and a leading scientist on human sexual orientation, explains: "This study puts cold water on any concerns that we are looking for a single 'gay gene' or a single environmental variable which could be used to 'select out' homosexuality - the factors which influence sexual orientation are complex. And we are not simply talking about homosexuality here - heterosexual behaviour is also influenced by a mixture of genetic and environmental factors.
    BBC NEWS | Health | How homosexuality is 'inherited'

    "It is clear that our findings, if confirmed by further research, are only one piece in a much larger puzzle on the nature of human sexuality," they said.

    In 2002, the Nuffield Council on Bioethics produced a report into the possible link between genes and behaviour, which included sexual orientation.

    It concluded: "There are numerous problems with genetic and other biological research into sexual orientation which mean that any reported findings must be viewed with caution."

    It said many of the genetic studies were too small to draw definite conclusions from.
    US researchers find evidence that homosexuality linked to genetics | World news | guardian.co.uk

    US researchers are finding common biological traits among gay men, feeding a growing consensus that sexual orientation is an inborn combination of genetic and environmental factors that largely decide a person's sexual attractions before they are born.

    Such findings - including a highly anticipated study this winter - would further inform the debate over whether homosexuality is innate or a choice, an undercurrent of California's recent Proposition 8 campaign in which television commercials warned that "schools would begin teaching second-graders that boys could marry boys", suggesting homosexuality would then spread.

    Some scientists say the political and moral debate over same-sex marriage frequently strayed from established scientific evidence, including comments by Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin that homosexuality is "a choice" and "a decision".
    While sexual behaviour may be chosen, the preponderance of researchers say attraction is dictated by biology, with no demonstrated contribution from social factors such as parenting or other factors after birth.

    A host of studies since the mid-1990s have found common biological traits between gay men, including left-handedness and the direction of hair whorls. The likelihood that if one identical twin is gay, the other will be also be gay is much higher than the "concordance" of homosexuality between fraternal twins, indicating that genes play a role in sexual orientation, but are not the entire cause.

    Sexual behavior is encouraged in part by one's genetic makeup. Sexual orientation however is dictated by biology. In other words, you can choose who you are going to sleep with. You can not choose who you are attracted to. Stating otherwise with the amount of information available and corroborating studies is simply dishonest.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Rape is a crime of violence, not a crime of sex. Further, I have no idea how you see any relevance in what you just said.
    I think the point he is making is attempted rapes do happen males on male aboard ship.........I testified at a court marital where and E4 tried to take advantage of and E2... He was so brazen that he took the E2 to th club, got him drunk and brought him back to the ship........The E2 passed out in his rack above the one the E4 was sleeping in.......Five minutes after taps sounded and the light were turned off in the berthing compartment the E4 reached up above him and under the blanket of the E2......He with his other hand began to masturbate....Myself and another E5 sleeping across from him jumped up and turned on the lights and went in the Head where we discussed the situation.....We decided to put the E4 on report.....He wrote him up and I witnessed it...We went back into the berthing compartment and informed the E4 he was on report....We then hit our racks.......The next morning the E4 got up and acted like nothing had happened.......

    To make a long story short he was tried and convicted at a court martial and discharged with and undesireable discharge........He admitted during the court martial he was gay and had joined the Navy to be around men......

    This guy was a good worker and I never expected that he was gay....I was totally shocked.......At his courtmartial he said he was so attracted to the E2 that he could not help himself.......

    I saw incidents like this through out my Navy career.....
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    As I said earlier, this is far from a done deal......This will have to be voted on by the Senate and will take 60 votes to overturn this law............We shall see if it goes that far..........

    I am sure anyone that saw the joint chiefs of staff at the speech.....There were not happy about Obama's decision on this subject.........
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    You are so full of crap. I said no such thing. Didn't even imply it.

    Here's the exchange, for those who need their memories refreshed...







    YOU are the one suggesting that we "kick out all the conservative Christians and headstrong alpha males." I never even got close to that steaming pile of crap you're lobbing around.

    You are a blatant and shameless liar, and



    I wasn't suggesting we do anything. I was asking you to complete your train of thought.

    You said they should be willing to serve with a gay person, but a lot of them (grunts) might not be. In light of this fact, what do you propose we do? Just kick out the ones who aren't okay with gays? I mean, what else could you do?

    I agree that you didn't claim what I said, and that I was lazy in my words, but I think you know what I meant. How would you solve this dilemma? Is there another option besides forcing them out of the military? I don't see one.

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