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Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

This is the evolution of our society. I'm fine with gays in my local community, work, etc, so I'd be fine with gays in my platoon. But were I in the military today, I just want to know...am I allowed to file a sexual harassment suit (or charge) if a gay soldier keeps coming on to me?

Well of course you are. Don't worry though, the odds of it happening are extremely low.
 
Last time I looked the 82nd airborne was not part of the Navy and that is all I can speak for.........when you start ridingg destroyers at sea for 90 days at a time let me know.......

It is part of the military. I see no reason to single either out as different. And as heterosexuals and homosexuals are not attracted to each other, there is nothing about them being together for 90 days of consequence. BTW, they are out with each other right now. Today. Always have been.
 
At the small unit level in the Army, we are anticipating the change in policy. I doubt that it effects us very seriously in our day-to-day operations in CONUS or deployed.

I personally have never known any Soldier to be discharged under DADT. I do think there are gay servicemembers serving now and they know to keep it quiet. Will they "come out" if the policy is overturned? I doubt it, but I could be wrong. I currently command a 110 man unit (all males); if DADT is done away with, I'll simply inform my troops that the same EO policies that exist now prohibiting racist and sexist remarks also apply to gays. No big deal.

I really don't care either way, but if the Brits and IDF can pull it off, then I doubt it will be that earth-shattering for us. I guess I'll find out soon enough.

Reposted because of the common sense shown. Well done!
 
Reposted because of the common sense shown. Well done!

Agreed. A simple adult reaction. That is all we should ask for. Nothing more and nothing less.
 
Agreed. A simple adult reaction. That is all we should ask for. Nothing more and nothing less.

And a simple, adult reaction from a man currently serving in the military.
 
Follow quite closely and it's all you have. Any discussion will degrade into name calling, homophobic this, don't want gays to have any rights that, bigot, narrow minded, naive, ignorant, it's a consistent barrage and it's normally all the Left has when dicussing these issues.



Military men.....do mind.



The military does reject it, especially men.



Again, the women I have no clue. The men do not approve of open serving gay members, sorry.

Sorry...but the facts don't back up your postings. See Navy's link. The overwhelming majority of the military men and women say that they would have no issue with it.
 
Why is that?

For the same reason it's not likely most straight men will ever have a sexual harassment charge filed against them. Sexual harassment has more to do with poor behavior and discretion than it does orientation.
 
Fairness doesn't apply in the military. You just do as your told, Sailor.

Dude, everyone in the military takes orders. You aren't an exception to that. The fact that you had an officer over you should clue you into this fact.

And if the SECNAV told you to get on your face you'd do it without question or you'd be court-martialed. End of story, old timer.

Point is, you follow orders, whether you're a Chief or a god damn General. Do you agree?

Yes, I do, and I've said as much through this entire thread. Over and over again.

You educate them and expect them to act like the ****ing adults they're supposed to be, to follow their orders and not deviate from them for any pansy "personal reasons." You give them strict instructions and allow for one or two "oopsie" moments, so no one can cry foul about how awful and harsh it is to have to suddenly behave like a grown up. After that, they're out.

Just do your damned job and get over yourself. :roll:

This is the answer you dismissed outright – loudly and often – as being impractical, impossible, and ignorant.

But here's the delicious part! What you fail to recognize is that your answer:

"You just do as your told… without question or you'll be court-martialed. End of story."

Is exactly the same as my answer:

"Follow your orders and do not deviate from them. If you don't, you're out.”

:shock: OHNOES!!! You just sunk your own battleship! :rofl :2wave:

Oh, and about this?

Haven't I said time and again that it should be left up to the discretion of the commander?

Here you go:

In a packed committee room, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff looked hostile Republican senators in the eye and told them unwelcome news: He thinks gays should be allowed to serve openly in the armed forces he commands.

"Speaking for myself and myself only, it is my personal belief that allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly would be the right thing to do," the nation's top military officer told the members of the Senate Armed Services Committee. "No matter how I look at this issue, I cannot escape being troubled by the fact that we have in place a policy which forces young men and women to lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens. For me personally, it comes down to integrity -- theirs as individuals and ours as an institution." --WaPo

Your commander has spoken.


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Well of course you are. Don't worry though, the odds of it happening are extremely low.

Yeah, is that why thousands have been discharged since DADT was instituted?
 
Sorry...but the facts don't back up your postings. See Navy's link. The overwhelming majority of the military men and women say that they would have no issue with it.

You cite some overseas poll that is clueless about what goes on in the U.S. Military, for all we know they were polling some foreign military...............I couldn't let you get away with that one.................
 
This is the evolution of our society. I'm fine with gays in my local community, work, etc, so I'd be fine with gays in my platoon. But were I in the military today, I just want to know...am I allowed to file a sexual harassment suit (or charge) if a gay soldier keeps coming on to me?

It would be his word against yours and who do you think they would believe?

Your also going to have some gays that are not performing up to standards and when they are called on it by their superiors they will say your only picking on me because I am gay............What a mess it will be..............I still say if this is approved give all they gay guys and lesbians their own ships and companies then they can **** one another all they want and no one will care...........
 
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Which has exactly what to do with sexual harassment?

Your words:
Well of course you are. Don't worry though, the odds of it happening are extremely low.


How many of those thousand of discharges do you think involved sexual harrassment where gays or lesbians hit on straights?
 
Yeah, is that why thousands have been discharged since DADT was instituted?

All they had to do was tell, nothing more. So, you're making a rather large leap.
 
Which has exactly what to do with sexual harassment?

Did you know that before they allowed women aboard ships we had no cses of sexual harrassment now every time a guy looks at a woman its sexual harrassment.............
 
Your words:


How many of those thousand of discharges do you think involved sexual harrassment where gays or lesbians hit on straights?

You don't get discharged under DADT for sexual harassment. You get discharged under DADT because your command discovered you are gay. If you commit sexual harassment, it's a whole separate and serious issue. You might still get put out under DADT, but just because it is easier.
 
Did you know that before they allowed women aboard ships we had no cses of sexual harrassment now every time a guy looks at a woman its sexual harrassment.............

You can back that up? Did Tailhook happen aboard ship?
 
All they had to do was tell, nothing more. So, you're making a rather large leap.

A lot of the discharges were also because gay made advances at straights, not just because they said they were gay..........Probably half the guys that said they were gay were lying........They just realized that they made a mistake in joining and this was the easiest way out..............
 
You can back that up? Did Tailhook happen aboard ship?

No it happed in Vegas..........I have talked to a lot of air dale officers who attended Tail Hook every year and they told me that woman who complained was just in the wrong place at the wrong time...........

What happened is the men formed a line and the women tried to get through it and both loved it............No one ever complained until this one woman came along and by her actions she ruined many officers good records......


Those kind of things go on in the Navy....People work hard and play hard.......I am not saying I condone what was happening every year but it was with consenting adults on their own time and if she had not complained and political correctness took over they would still be doing it at the tailhook convention every year.............................
 
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No it happed in Vegas..........I have talked to a lot of air dale officers who attended Tail Hook every year and they told me that woman who complained was just in the wrong place at the wrong time...........

What happened is the men formed a line and the women tried to get through it and both loved it............No one ever complained until this one woman came along and by her actions she ruined many officers good records......


Those kind of things go on in the Navy....Peopke work hard and play hard.......I am not saying I condone what was happening every year but it was with consenting adults...............

Navy, she was groped and fondled against her will. The actions that ruined those reputations where the actions of those who acted inappropriately.

Now, can you prove that there was no sexual harassment in the navy before women could do ship duty as you claimed?
 
You don't get discharged under DADT for sexual harassment. You get discharged under DADT because your command discovered you are gay. If you commit sexual harassment, it's a whole separate and serious issue. You might still get put out under DADT, but just because it is easier.

Sexual harrassment can be a whole bunch of things, for example a gay guy telling a straight one what a great package he has.........That is sexual harrassment and is enough to prove the guy is gay and if it continued he would be discharged under DADT..............
 
Sexual harrassment can be a whole bunch of things, for example a gay guy telling a straight one what a great package he has.........That is sexual harrassment and is enough to prove the guy is gay and if it continued he would be discharged under DADT..............

Yes that is sexual harassment. Now about that claim you made...
 
I'm sure some thought that society wasn't "ready" for civil rights. Sometimes, you just have to shake the tree. I have enough faith in the military members to know they will adapt just fine. Like so many other things, eventually this will fall into the "what was the big deal" catagory.

No one has a "civil right" to wear the nation's uniform.

People are rejected all the time for physical infirmities and behavioral issues.

Homosexuality is a behavioral issue.
 
You cite some overseas poll that is clueless about what goes on in the U.S. Military, for all we know they were polling some foreign military...............I couldn't let you get away with that one.................

Look at your own link Navy....did you bother to read it before posting it. Let me help you...Here is the text of YOUR link:

Military Attitudes
73 percent of military personnel are comfortable with lesbians and gays (Zogby International, 2006).
The younger generations, those who fight America's 21st century wars, largely don't care about whether someone is gay or not-and they do not link job performance with sexual orientation.
One in four U.S. troops who served in Afghanistan or Iraq knows a member of their unit who is gay (Zogby, 2006).
The Public Overwhelmingly Supports Lifting the Ban
Majorities of weekly churchgoers (60 percent), conservatives (58 percent), and Republicans (58 percent) now favor repeal (Gallup, 2009).
Seventy-five percent of Americans support gays serving openly - up from just 44 percent in 1993 (ABC News/Washington Post, 2008).
Ban Hurts Military Readiness
The U.S. must recruit and retain the greatest number of the best and brightest-especially during two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
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