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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    This should be interesting.

    I've heard arguments from both sides of this issue which make good points.

    Overall, however, I don't think it'll be much of a problem, if they do repeal it.

    Time will tell, I suppose.
    That's how I feel about it but I wish that he would choose a less conflicted time to do this. I don't like making serious adjustments to military conduct policy while we are at war.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

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    Seems to me that their sexual preference is irrelevant and as long as they keep their private life private, there shouldn't be a problem.

    Ever notice it's not a problem until a gay soldiers makes a public statement about his/her sexual preference? See a pattern?
    Yeah sure I see a pattern. It is perfectly fine for a hetero soldier to say "hey I have a new boyfriend/girlfriend." Where as a gay soldier said that they would be kicked out.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Well I still don't know how ending DADT would cause problems for our military.

    We have the most powerful, most disciplined, well trained, well supplied, and most technologically advanced military on earth. I just can't see how that can be brought down because someone knows a soldier, sailor, or marine is gay.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    Well I still don't know how ending DADT would cause problems for our military.

    We have the most powerful, most disciplined, well trained, well supplied, and most technologically advanced military on earth. I just can't see how that can be brought down because someone knows a soldier, sailor, or marine is gay.
    I worry about the safety of gay soldiers that may think that DADT being repealed suddenly makes them safe from their less accepting peers.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

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    I worry about the safety of gay soldiers that may think that DADT being repealed suddenly makes them safe from their less accepting peers.
    So you think their "less accepting peers" might beat the crap out of them?
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I worry about the safety of gay soldiers that may think that DADT being repealed suddenly makes them safe from their less accepting peers.
    Then shouldn't our military should be more concerned with making rules that punish those "less accepting peers," instead of drumming their victims out of the service?

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Did anyone notice the reaction of the Joint Chiefs at what Obama said? To say they were not excited about that is putting it mildly.....

    I would not worry to much about it....Obams says a lot of things that never happens like moving out of GITMO in his first year of office.........

    I personally believe the only way you can let gays serve openly aboard ship in the Navy is give them their own ship...........

    Its never going to happen at least not in the Navy aboard Navy ships..........
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Then shouldn't our military should be more concerned with making rules that punish those "less accepting peers," instead of drumming their victims out of the service?
    I don't think more rules really stops an irrational animal from being aggressive. Homophobia is irrational. I just have a concern for "stray bullets" in war zones finding new homes in gay soldiers's backs when gay soldiers come out with an unreasonable expectation that policy is going to be reflective in behavior.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I don't think more rules really stops an irrational animal from being aggressive. Homophobia is irrational. I just have a concern for "stray bullets" in war zones finding new homes in gay soldiers's backs when gay soldiers come out with an unreasonable expectation that policy is going to be reflective in behavior.
    That's not saying much for our soldiers and marines.

    What about the Navy or Air Force? They rarely have stray bullets since they rarely engage in the close combat and small arms fire that soldiers and marines do.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    That's not saying much for our soldiers and marines.
    No, that's not saying much for some individuals. And like it or not, there is a resentment against the repealing of DADT in our military and that resentment is prone to amplifying the false justifications that irrational individuals use to talk themselves into acting.

    What about the Navy or Air Force? They rarely have stray bullets since they rarely engage in the close combat and small arms fire that soldiers and marines do.
    That doesn't negate safety issues from within. Just because it's not a stray bullet doesn't mean it may not be a stray beating or stray blunt object or any number of things. Don't be daft in focusing on a single hypothetical minutiae in an effort to deflect from the broader point.

    If this were being changed during peace time, I would be 100% behind it because focus could be made on a transition process. However, I dont see that happening in a war zone.

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