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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

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    Not for lack of wanting. They kinda have a policy where they will kick me out the moment they figure out I'm gay. But I guess that works to your advantage. I'm not allowed to criticize the policy that restricts gays from serving because I haven't served, but I can't serve without fearing they find out I'm gay and kick me out. Nice way for you to silence opposition to your views.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

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    Yeah, the IDF is clicking along just fine. 80% of the soldiers in the IDF have claimed to have been sexually harassed.

    80% of IDF women claim harassment | j. the Jewish news weekly of Northern California
    You need to really do better than this. First off the body of the article does not match the headline, and here is a better article using the same data, and some important facts you neglected: Don't report sexual harassment, many female soldiers seem to think - Haaretz - Israel News

    Rubinstein told the MKs that in 2008 some 363 sexual harassment complaints were filed, mainly by female soldiers doing their compulsory service.

    Tuesday's discussion in the committee followed a bill proposed by MK Lia Shemtov (Yisrael Beiteinu) following a survey in the IDF that showed that one in seven female soldiers reported sexual harassment, either verbal or physical.
    1 in 7 is not 80 %.

    In 43 percent of the cases, those accused of harassment were male soldiers also in compulsory service. In 5 percent of sexual harassment cases the victim was male.
    So it's roughly evenly split between strait and gay harassment. I suspect that number is somewhat skewed in that for a strait women, an gay women propositioning her is more likely to be seen by her as harassment than a strait guy, but that is just a supposition on my part.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

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    You need to really do better than this. First off the body of the article does not match the headline, and here is a better article using the same data, and some important facts you neglected: Don't report sexual harassment, many female soldiers seem to think - Haaretz - Israel News



    1 in 7 is not 80 %.



    So it's roughly evenly split between strait and gay harassment. I suspect that number is somewhat skewed in that for a strait women, an gay women propositioning her is more likely to be seen by her as harassment than a strait guy, but that is just a supposition on my part.

    You shoulda look at the dates of the articles before you go off half cocked like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So it's roughly evenly split between strait and gay harassment. I suspect that number is somewhat skewed in that for a strait women, an gay women propositioning her is more likely to be seen by her as harassment than a strait guy, but that is just a supposition on my part.
    So, if the IDF had a DADT'esq policy, the sexual harassment rate would be cut in half. Thank you for finally admitting that the abolition of DADT will result in an increased number of sexual harassment cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The one thing that your ignorance of the military is proving, is your inability to understand that everyone in the military can be replaced. Our military is no less effective because a few gay soldiers have been discharged.
    Yeah, that is why they had a shortage of translators during the wars.

    For someone who claims to be such an expert on the military, you sure know very little about how it conducts its business.

    Still waiting to hear how this policy has saved more lives that it probably kills.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The only way they'll know, is if you tell'em. And, they can't ask.
    Wouldn't the world be a nicer place if that is how it actually worked? No, if they only suspect that you are gay, then they can kick you out. Try to inform yourself a little before commenting on this topic.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Yeah, that is why they had a shortage of translators during the wars.
    So, most multi-linguil people are gay?



    Still waiting to hear how this policy has saved more lives that it probably kills.
    Simple: more time training, less time dealing with bull****.



    Wouldn't the world be a nicer place if that is how it actually worked? No, if they only suspect that you are gay, then they can kick you out. Try to inform yourself a little before commenting on this topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I hate to rain on your pitty party, but that's not how it works.
    That is exactly how it works. People have been kicked out of the military for just being sighted with their partner when they are back at home.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    That is exactly how it works. People have been kicked out of the military for just being sighted with their partner when they are back at home.
    Let's see some proof of your allegations.

    To my knowledge, a gay soldier has to be convicted under Article 125 of the UCMJ. To get that conviction, there has to be sufficient evidence of a violation of Article 125.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    If a Guy is gay, I just ask they be up front about it. I got no problem. but I don't want to get a Surprise some cold wintry night, by finding a guy trying to spoon with me. Most disturbing.
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I knew some guys on the east coast that went UA and turned themselves in in San Diego just so they could go WesPac.

    I also knew some guys that were straight as an arrow but would have no problem french kissing the old man if they thought they could get a discharge out of it. Kinda like Klinger on M.A.S.H.

    I knew guys that would have NEVER smoked pot but did just so they could pop their piss test and get out.

    I knew one guy, Rusty, that got buck naked and started firing his piece off into the water just so he could get out on a mental.

    If all it takes to get out these days is to walk up and say, "I'm queer," how easy is that? I wonder if they have to prove it? Do they have to be Liza Minelli fans? Do they gotta blow the O.I.C., or what?

    There were a lot of guys who joined and while in Boot Camp couldn't take it and decided ths was and easy way to get a discharge so they went to their Company Commnder and told him they were gay....That is grounds for discharge under don't ask don't tell.They get an honorable DC.........
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    Re: Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Let's see some proof of your allegations.

    To my knowledge, a gay soldier has to be convicted under Article 125 of the UCMJ. To get that conviction, there has to be sufficient evidence of a violation of Article 125.
    So what would that evidence be? Walking down the street while holding hands and kissing your partner?

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