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    Re: Activist filmmaker arrested in senatorís office

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    Activist filmmaker arrested in senator?s office - More politics- msnbc.com

    this is interesting. a son of a federal prosecutor? now we can stop pretending that this "film maker" is in any way non-biased.
    I don't think anyone was under the impression that he was unbiased in his views. I also don't see how that bears on the facts of what he uncovered in his initial case.

    "poor judgement" my ass.
    Regardless of what this turns out to be, I think we can all agree that at a minimum, it involved poor judgment.

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    And many you seem to ignore were exonerated of wrong behavior. But please please don't let the facts get in your way.

    But an exhaustive report recently released by the Congressional Research Service -- a nonpartisan branch of Congress -- exonerated ACORN, finding no incidents where the organization broke any laws or misspent any federal funds.
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    Booo! You can do better than that. Does it matter what the source is when the fact remains they were exonerated by a nonpartisan congressional panel, the CRS? Please tell me you can do better than this.
    You're conflating legal innocence with "being good." I don't think that many were actually claiming that ACORN as an organization was violating federal law in regards to what it was doing with its federal funding, but rather that it was encouraging or enabling others to engage in activities that any reasonable person would consider reprehensible.

    Let's say you go undercover into my office and secretly audiotape me using every racial slur in the book and talking about how I would love to bring back a Nazi regime. If you bring that to the press, I would certainly look like a horrible person. I think it's safe to say that many would choose to stop doing business with me. If a prosecutor looked into that tape and concluded that I was not guilty of violating any crime (as I obviously would not be), does that mean that I'm somehow no longer a scumbag? Does that mean that everyone in the community should run back and embrace me?
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    Re: Activist filmmaker arrested in senatorís office

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I don't think anyone was under the impression that he was unbiased in his views. I also don't see how that bears on the facts of what he uncovered in his initial case.



    Regardless of what this turns out to be, I think we can all agree that at a minimum, it involved poor judgment.





    You're conflating legal innocence with "being good." I don't think that many were actually claiming that ACORN as an organization was violating federal law in regards to what it was doing with its federal funding, but rather that it was encouraging or enabling others to engage in activities that any reasonable person would consider reprehensible.

    Let's say you go undercover into my office and secretly audiotape me using every racial slur in the book and talking about how I would love to bring back a Nazi regime. If you bring that to the press, I would certainly look like a horrible person. I think it's safe to say that many would choose to stop doing business with me. If a prosecutor looked into that tape and concluded that I was not guilty of violating any crime (as I obviously would not be), does that mean that I'm somehow no longer a scumbag? Does that mean that everyone in the community should run back and embrace me?
    Depends. What if you had never done those things, and the the guy going undercover was merely on a fishing expedition? He should go to jail, and you would have the right to sue him for everything he's got.
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    Re: Activist filmmaker arrested in senatorís office

    i need to remember that excuse next time i break the law......i'm sorry i used poor judgement.

    this guy is no better than michael moore, and worse, actually, because he did break the law.

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    Re: Activist filmmaker arrested in senatorís office

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Depends. What if you had never done those things, and the the guy going undercover was merely on a fishing expedition? He should go to jail, and you would have the right to sue him for everything he's got.
    You mean if I literally never said them and he falsified the tape to dub someone elses voice over mine? Then yes, in that case it would certainly be defamation. I don't think anyone has claimed that that's remotely like what happened in the ACORN case.

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i need to remember that excuse next time i break the law......i'm sorry i used poor judgement.

    this guy is no better than michael moore, and worse, actually, because he did break the law.
    Did anyone say that he should be excused because he used poor judgment?

    What people are saying is that whether or not what he did was criminal (which it certainly looks like it was), it was poor judgment regardless.
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    Re: Activist filmmaker arrested in senatorís office

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You mean if I literally never said them and he falsified the tape to dub someone elses voice over mine? Then yes, in that case it would certainly be defamation. I don't think anyone has claimed that that's remotely like what happened in the ACORN case.



    Did anyone say that he should be excused because he used poor judgment?

    What people are saying is that whether or not what he did was criminal (which it certainly looks like it was), it was poor judgment regardless.
    I think what liblady is getting at is "poor judgment" sounds like the person committed something minor (I made a right turn on red when there was a sign saying I couldn't). Going into a federal office for the purpose of committing a crime connotes more than just having poor judgment.

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    Re: Activist filmmaker arrested in senatorís office

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I think what liblady is getting at is "poor judgment" sounds like the person committed something minor (I made a right turn on red when there was a sign saying I couldn't). Going into a federal office for the purpose of committing a crime connotes more than just having poor judgment.
    And I'm just saying that until we know more about what they were going in there to do, "poor judgment" is all we know for a fact. Depending on what they were actually doing, I can envision plenty of scenarios in which they honestly (and mistakenly) believed that what they were doing was either legal or in some grey area, but was generally harmless. I'm not saying that that will be the case, but I'm also not saying it can't.
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    Re: Activist filmmaker arrested in senatorís office

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And I'm just saying that until we know more about what they were going in there to do, "poor judgment" is all we know for a fact. Depending on what they were actually doing, I can envision plenty of scenarios in which they honestly (and mistakenly) believed that what they were doing was either legal or in some grey area, but was generally harmless. I'm not saying that that will be the case, but I'm also not saying it can't.
    I'd love to hear some of these scenarios in which a couple of people dress up and pretend to be something they're not, to do work they were neither asked nor authorized to do, in a place they don't belong, and it's all just a "mistake" on their part because they believed it was completely legal and above board.


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    Re: Activist filmmaker arrested in senatorís office

    It's going to fun watching the DoJ try to prove that a crime was actually committed here.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Activist filmmaker arrested in senatorís office

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's going to fun watching the DoJ try to prove that a crime was actually committed here.
    Pffft. It's a slam dunk. Did they or did they not enter a federal building under false pretenses? Were they actually telephone repairmen? Were they called to fix the phones? Did O'Keefe admit to helping plan and coordinate the scam?
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    Re: Activist filmmaker arrested in senatorís office

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Pffft. It's a slam dunk. Did they or did they not enter a federal building under false pretenses? Were they actually telephone repairmen? Were they called to fix the phones? Did O'Keefe admit to helping plan and coordinate the scam?
    Did they have electronic surveillance devices on their person that would enable them to actually tap a phone? If not, then the government's ability to prove intent is going to seriously hampered.

    Actually, this is the only crime that's been committed:

    18 U.S.C. ß 1036 : US Code - Section 1036: Entry by false pretenses to any real property, vessel, or aircraft of the United States or secure area of any airport.

    (a) Whoever, by any fraud or false pretense, enters or attempts
    to enter -
    (1) any real property belonging in whole or in part to, or
    leased by, the United States;
    (2) any vessel or aircraft belonging in whole or in part to, or
    leased by, the United States; or
    (3) any secure area of any airport,
    shall be punished as provided in subsection (b) of this section.
    (b) The punishment for an offense under subsection (a) of this
    section is -
    (1) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 5
    years, or both, if the offense is committed with the intent to
    commit a felony; or
    (2) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 6
    months, or both, in any other case.
    (c) As used in this section -
    (1) the term "secure area" means an area access to which is
    restricted by the airport authority or a public agency; and
    (2) the term "airport" has the meaning given such term in
    section 47102 of title 49.
    If the government can't prove intent, then O'Keefe is going to allowed to walk with probation, at the most.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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