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    Re: Activist filmmaker arrested in senator’s office

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    Does that make it ok?
    Can you answer the question?

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    Re: Activist filmmaker arrested in senator’s office

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Does that make it ok?
    ...I find it odd that you try so hard to defend what this guy did when it is illegal but flip your lid over what ACORN did because you don't think it was "ok". You lose your credibility as a reasonable adult every single minute you spend on this board.
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    Re: Activist filmmaker arrested in senator’s office

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Is what happened at ACORN prosecutable?
    There's "open investigations" by the NY AG, CA AG, and Brooklyn DA, but who knows if there's actually anything happening on those fronts.

    It's also made more complicated by the fact that O'Keefe, the guy who the individual employees were supposedly trying to help do all these bad things, didn't actually intend to do them himself. That makes it harder to bring charges for a variety of legal reasons.
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    Re: Activist filmmaker arrested in senator’s office

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    There's "open investigations" by the NY AG, CA AG, and Brooklyn DA, but who knows if there's actually anything happening on those fronts.

    It's also made more complicated by the fact that O'Keefe, the guy who the individual employees were supposedly trying to help do all these bad things, didn't actually intend to do them himself. That makes it harder to bring charges for a variety of legal reasons.
    Thank you, I guess if ACRON and or the employees were involved in prostitution it could prosecutable. But I think just giving advice is not with out intent. Basically I can you how to make a pipe bomb.....**** one can learn that off TV.

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    Re: Activist filmmaker arrested in senator’s office

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Is what happened at ACORN prosecutable?

    Sure it is,with this scenario, the chief prosecution witness approaches the stand in his orange prison jumpsuit.
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    Re: Activist filmmaker arrested in senator’s office

    I'm not defending O'Keefe and his buddies if they are found guilty of a serious crime... and it does look like that might be about to happen. However, I have heard thoughtful discussion from local talk radio shows here n New Orleans that suggests that O'Keefe might have walked the fine line between crime and legal investigation. Let's wait to see what comes out of this in court before we condemn him. After all, some of you probably think that O.J. was innocent!
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    Re: Activist filmmaker arrested in senator’s office

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Thank you, I guess if ACRON and or the employees were involved in prostitution it could prosecutable. But I think just giving advice is not with out intent. Basically I can you how to make a pipe bomb.....**** one can learn that off TV.
    Basically that's the problem. There's no doubt those employees of ACORN should have been fired and certainly an internal investigation needed to be done, but I'm not sure what the "crime" was.

    I'm sure the prosecutors are also rethinking this now, not wanting to put this guy on the stand as their star witness.

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    Re: Activist filmmaker arrested in senator’s office

    Patterico's Pontifications Law Enforcement Official: No Wiretap Attempt by O’Keefe

    Law Enforcement Official: No Wiretap Attempt by O’Keefe

    Looks like law enforcement and James O’Keefe’s supporters agree: he did not intend to wiretap Mary Landrieu:
    A law enforcement official says the four men arrested for attempting to tamper with the phones in the New Orleans office of Sen. Mary Landrieu (D) were not trying to intercept or wiretap the calls.
    The Washington Post, which this morning claimed otherwise, today had to retract that mistake — a grave error that Andrew Breitbart socked them for last night, and I socked them for this morning. Here is the relevant part of their embarrassing correction:

    Earlier versions of this story incorrectly reported that James O’Keefe faced charges in an alleged plot to bug the office of Sen. Mary Landrieu. The charges were related to an alleged plot to tamper with a phone system. The headline incorrectly referred to a plot to bug the phone and a caption incorrectly referred to an alleged wiretap scheme.
    So there was no intent to wiretap. Let’s dispel that idea now. Nobody is claiming he was trying to bug Landrieu. Everyone who compared this to Watergate was wrong, wrong, wrong — and should be embarrassed. Period. The only question now is what he and 3 other men did intend to do. The Government position is that O’Keefe & Company wanted to shut down Landrieu’s phone system:

    Instead, the official says, the men, led by conservative videomaker James O’Keefe, wanted to see how her local office staff would respond if the phones were inoperative. They were apparently motivated, the official says, by criticism that when Sen. Landrieu became a big player in the health care debate, people in Louisiana were having a hard time getting through on the phones to register their views. That is, the official says, what led the four men to pull this stunt — to see how the local staffers would react if the phones went out. Would the staff just laugh it off, or would they express great concern that local folks couldn’t get through?
    Me, I don’t buy the Government theory. I think Good Lt. has a much better theory. Playing off of my posts’ focus on the allegedly jammed phone lines, Good Lt. spun out a theory that I think makes more sense than anything I have seen:

    I am postulating that the group was trying to document (with video camera) that Landrieu’s office had either disconnected or re-routed the phones to deflect incoming calls – hence, why they couldn’t get through. There have been anecdotal reports that Landrieu’s office has received complaints that it has been inaccessible by phone, particularly around the time when she was bought off by the Democrats for the now-infamous Louisiana Purchase.
    I have a related theory that strikes me as even more likely: they came in to “fix” the “jammed” phone lines — expecting to be received by countless staffers saying: “What problem? We haven’t had any jammed phone lines. What are you talking about?”
    Wow.

    I guess we'll find out more soon, but that seems like a pretty plausible explanation to me. As noted by Josh Marshall yesterday, there was a huge part of this that didn't make sense:

    Beyond the criminal activity and brazenness of the act, one of the questions we were wondering yesterday afternoon about the WingNerd team down in New Orleans was, just what were they thinking? O'Keefe was allegedly using his cell phone to film the attempt to bug Landrieu's office as it happened. And that's not too smart since that amounts to filming your accomplices in the process of committing a felony. And it goes beyond that. Let's say their 'operation' was a complete success. And let's say they got something really juicy off of Sen. Landrieu's tapped phone line. What exactly were they going to do with it? The moment you surface either transcripts of the recordings of any calls, you immediately become the target of a federal investigation.

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    Now, one might speculate that they were going to use the bug to get leads that they would then report out and surface by other means. But, frankly, to put it mildly that does not sound like the James O'Keefe MO. And filming the bugging as it happened definitely suggests they didn't plan on keeping the thing a secret. So again, what were they thinking?
    If they were actually there to wiretap the phones, it would make no sense for them to be videotaping this. However, if they were there to try to prove that the phones had never been jammed, or for one of the other reasons mentioned above, then it would make much more sense.

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    Re: Activist filmmaker arrested in senator’s office

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ...I find it odd that you try so hard to defend what this guy did when it is illegal but flip your lid over what ACORN did because you don't think it was "ok". You lose your credibility as a reasonable adult every single minute you spend on this board.
    Point out where I defended what this guy did. Thanks in advance.
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    Re: Activist filmmaker arrested in senator’s office

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Patterico's Pontifications Law Enforcement Official: No Wiretap Attempt by O’Keefe

    Law Enforcement Official: No Wiretap Attempt by O’Keefe







    Wow.

    I guess we'll find out more soon, but that seems like a pretty plausible explanation to me. As noted by Josh Marshall yesterday, there was a huge part of this that didn't make sense:



    If they were actually there to wiretap the phones, it would make no sense for them to be videotaping this. However, if they were there to try to prove that the phones had never been jammed, or for one of the other reasons mentioned above, then it would make much more sense.

    See why it's a bad idea to accuse people of treason before you know any of the facts?
    Be careful, the Libruls might accuse you of defending the guy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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