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    Re: Toyota Suspends Sales of 8 Models After Accelerator Pedals Keep Sticking

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    You guys probably don't drive as much as we Americans do, either, since fuel is much more expensive in Europe. American are constantly on the go.
    So are Europeans. But that wouldn't matter in this instance. You don't have to be doing a 500 mile drive in order to put your foot to the floor and have the pedal stick on the mat. That can happen reversing out of your driveway.

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    Re: Toyota Suspends Sales of 8 Models After Accelerator Pedals Keep Sticking

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    My neighbors Toyota had the floor mat issue, and the oversized mat did actually make contact with the oversized gas pedal, which is hinged at the top, so it was possible for the bottom of the pedal to get hung up under the front of the mat. He took it it for a recall on that issue.
    Talking about pedal size, I bought my first Toyota and got the new electronically controlled automatic transmission (new in 1985, at least), all because of the tiny clutch pedals. I was doing a lot of backpacking then and knew I'd be driving with hiking boots. I was concerned I either wouldn't be able to find the clutch or my foot would overlap and hit the brake, which it did on occasion when I drove a friend's Nissan pickup. That was the worst mistake because that transmission was trash. That is why today, I buy only vehicles with manual transmissions.

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    Re: Toyota Suspends Sales of 8 Models After Accelerator Pedals Keep Sticking

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    So are Europeans. But that wouldn't matter in this instance. You don't have to be doing a 500 mile drive in order to put your foot to the floor and have the pedal stick on the mat. That can happen reversing out of your driveway.
    Yeah, and I think Americans and Europeans would all have the same accelerator problems, but I was merely conjecturing to Pete's post of claiming Europeans don't have that problem.

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    Re: Toyota Suspends Sales of 8 Models After Accelerator Pedals Keep Sticking

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    So why don't you Europeans have the same problem? Enlighten me.
    have no idea, but claiming that we dont drive as much as an excuse is lame. Far from every Euopean lives in big cities, and far from every European lives within walking distance of their work (that is rare as hell). And what does the amount of time spent in a car have to do with the problem at hand? Nothing.

    Now could it be a design difference or something .. maybe... but the fact is that it is only in the US/Canada this recall has been made and that is only about 28% of Toyota sales world wide... what about the 72% outside North America?
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    Re: Toyota Suspends Sales of 8 Models After Accelerator Pedals Keep Sticking

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Yeah, and I think Americans and Europeans would all have the same accelerator problems, but I was merely conjecturing to Pete's post of claiming Europeans don't have that problem.
    Most likely it's an issue with automatic models. Most Europeans drive stick. Wouldn't have it any other way.

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    Re: Toyota Suspends Sales of 8 Models After Accelerator Pedals Keep Sticking

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    have no idea, but claiming that we dont drive as much as an excuse is lame. Far from every Euopean lives in big cities, and far from every European lives within walking distance of their work (that is rare as hell). And what does the amount of time spent in a car have to do with the problem at hand? Nothing.

    Now could it be a design difference or something .. maybe... but the fact is that it is only in the US/Canada this recall has been made and that is only about 28% of Toyota sales world wide... what about the 72% outside North America?
    Looks like you have been misinformed.

    The company is already using different parts in models it is now producing in Europe and says it has "no need or intention to stop production in Europe," it said.

    Toyota is not a major player in Europe, where it ranked No. 8 by sales last year, with a 5 per cent share of the market. Its models have fared badly as customers were nudged toward smaller fuel-efficient models by cash-for-clunkers government handouts.

    The company sold 730,831 cars in the 27-nation European Union, Norway and Iceland in 2009 – down 4.7 per cent from a year earlier. Sales of the luxury Lexus line fell by more than a quarter.
    Since Europeans are more in to fuel-efficient vehicles vs. gas guzzlers like Americans prefer, it stands to reason that Europeans would also abstain from driving as much since fuel is so much more expensive in Europe.

    Toyota extends car recall to Europe - thestar.com
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    Re: Toyota Suspends Sales of 8 Models After Accelerator Pedals Keep Sticking

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    Most likely it's an issue with automatic models. Most Europeans drive stick. Wouldn't have it any other way.
    Amen to that. Some coworkers of mine were sent to the Rolls Royce plant somewhere near London, and they were dismayed at the unavailability of automatics for rentals. They finally found one, though. The problem was that since you guys have right-hand drive vehicles, they were concerned about having to shift gears with their left hands, all the while trying to remember that they must drive on the wrong side of the road.

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    Re: Toyota Suspends Sales of 8 Models After Accelerator Pedals Keep Sticking

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Looks like you have been misinformed.
    Not exactly. You are talking about market share, I am talking where Toyota sells its cars.

    From their financial report about 30% is in North America, 30% in Japan, 15% in Europe and the rest in the rest of the world.. give and take a few % depending on economic winds. So I am not misinformed.

    Toyota is the 7th biggest seller in Europe.. out of 18 major car companies. Add to that minor car makers trying to get into the market and we have far more car makers here than in the US. So a 7th place aint bad, considering the European car makers have a "heads up" due to national pride, being in the market place far longer than Toyota and so on. In fact Toyota is the top selling "new from the outside" car maker in Europe and selling more than Mercedes and BMW.. go figure.

    The biggest car maker per sales in Europe is VW, followed by Peugeot/Citroen, Ford, Renault, GM (Opel), Fiat and then Toyota.

    Of all these car makers only Toyota has not been in the European market place for more than 80+ years.

    Since Europeans are more in to fuel-efficient vehicles vs. gas guzzlers like Americans prefer, it stand to reason that Europeans would also abstain from driving as much since fuel is so much more expensive in Europe.
    No that is an incorrect assumption. Fuel is more expensive in Europe yes, but that only means we drive less fuel consuming cars. The high fuel prices started long ago, and add in to the picture the regulatory requirements on fuel efficiency and then you have a totally different car market in Europe vs the US. Add to that the near fanatical bond between American's and their cars and you really have a different market.

    European cars are far far more fuel efficient on average than American cars. So sure, high oil prices hurt us over here, but no where near as bad as it did in the US. I have a 10 year old VW and Peugot, and they still go further on the gallon than a new GM car does today.

    The Toyota Pirus is ground breaking on mileage in the US.. not so much in Europe, and add into the picture that a large portion of cars in Europe (last I looked) run on clean diesel and not on petrol then Totoyta simply dont have any cars that meet that demand.

    In the end we still drive a lot in Europe (not as much as the US of course, but no one does that). But if it comes down to walking to the corner store or driving.. we walk (or take a bike).

    Yea it came out about an hour ago or so ago.
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    Re: Toyota Suspends Sales of 8 Models After Accelerator Pedals Keep Sticking

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Did you buy it new or used? I imagine that whoever got my old 94 thought it was crappy, too, but it got me to work every morning for 14 years. It earned its right to be crappy with as much as I drove it.
    Used, six years old with about 80,000 miles, so not particularly old nor overly/badly used. The previous/original owner had every piece of paperwork on the car, including every small maintenance issue, oil change, etc. I had it fully inspected by a trusted mechanic before purchase.

    The engine blew after I'd owned it three months. Things went downhill from there.

    Any vehicle that can't last six years without blowing an engine under normal use is a piece of crap.

    As for my Ford? It was a GEM. My current Chevy? AWESOME.

    Of course, this is all anecdotal, and may not mean a thing to others, but it's good enough for me to avoid Toyotas, just on general principal. The fact that the company made up a big, fat, bull**** story about floor mats being the problem just gives me one more reason to think poorly of both the company and its products.

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    Re: Toyota Suspends Sales of 8 Models After Accelerator Pedals Keep Sticking

    The Toyota recall has now been extended to Europe and China.

    Toyota Extends Recall to China and Europe - NYTimes.com
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