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    Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    Why? Seems like a reflection of Congress's love affair with pork barrel spending.
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    The Senate Tuesday rejected a plan to create a tough, powerful commission to recommend ways of slashing the federal debt, but the close vote made it clear that tackling the problem is an urgent priority.

    "We are on an utterly unsustainable course," said Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, D-N.D. "Trying what we've been doing is a proven failure."

    Though the vote to approve the commission plan was 53 to 46, it failed because under Senate rules, 60 votes were needed for passage.

    But the majority which included a rare bipartisan coalition of 37 Democrats and 16 Republicans of the plan championed by Conrad and Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., sent a signal that lawmakers from both parties want to move quickly to curb spending.
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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    Interestingly, only 16 republicans voted for this. I think it is time for republicans to give up their claim of fiscal conservatism.
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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Interestingly, only 16 republicans voted for this. I think it is time for republicans to give up their claim of fiscal conservatism.
    I realized that too ....I must be missing something.
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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Interestingly, only 16 republicans voted for this. I think it is time for republicans to give up their claim of fiscal conservatism.
    agreed...time to put up or shut up....would have definitely thought this would have gotten more repubs

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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    Structural changes in the formulation of laws are required, not band-aids.

    A line-item veto amendment would give the President the power to slash pork, for example.

    Restricting federal law to Constitutionally allowed issues is another. This doesn't require special amendments or commissions, this requires the opposition party to point out when a law violates the Constitution and it requires the people to pay attention. Imagine that, expecting Americans to start paying attention to their government once again. Clearly that idea is far too complicated and won't work, right?

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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    What I find interesting is more democrats than republicans voted for this measure. I thought one of republican's main goals was to reduce spending.

    Edit: Someone beat me to this observation.

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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    Before judging why many Republicans voted no I would like to research their reasons for doing so. Who knows, maybe this specific bill wasn't going to accomplish what it sought out to do. If these same Democrats truly cared about the budget they'd stop voting for legislation like the stimulus and other massive spending bills.

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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Before judging why many Republicans voted no I would like to research their reasons for doing so. Who knows, maybe this specific bill wasn't going to accomplish what it sought out to do. If these same Democrats truly cared about the budget they'd stop voting for legislation like the stimulus and other massive spending bills.
    Interesting. SO you want to give republicans the benefit of the doubt, but criticize Obama's motives when he proposes something to reduce to growth of the deficit...
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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Interestingly, only 16 republicans voted for this. I think it is time for republicans to give up their claim of fiscal conservatism.
    Agreeing with the principle doesn't mean you have to agree with every single proposal that purports to advance that principle. The split down the middle by both parties indicates that there was more than just politics at play
    The Senate voted Tuesday on creating an 18 member commission, 10 Democrats and eight Republicans, who would have considered all the sensitive subjects Congress and the White House have been reluctant to touch notably Social Security and Medicare cuts and higher taxes.

    If 14 members agreed on a plan, in a vote that would come after the Nov. 2 midterm elections, it would be submitted to Congress, which would have to vote by Dec. 23. A three-fifths majority of each House would have been needed for passage.

    But congressional leaders were skittish they didn't want their power diluted, and they didn't want to make the difficult choice of cutting popular retirement and health care programs or raising t axes.

    "Two things most define a senator. Senators can amend legislation, even with different subjects, and senators can debate legislation, sometimes at length. The Conrad-Gregg proposal curtails both of those defining powers," said Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont.
    This part was also amusing, in a sad way:

    Spurred by Baucus, the Senate voted 97 to 0 to exempt Social Security from the expedited decision-making process, a decision likely to make it more difficult for any future deficit-reduction task force to cut Social Security.

    Baucus; plea just before the vote illustrated why it would be so hard to cut the program, citing "hard-working Americans" who rely on the program. "Why in the world would we cut Social Security?" Baucus asked. "Show American seniors we're taking action to protect them."
    It reminds me of nothing so much as this:

    [ame="http://www.theonion.com/content/video/new_live_poll_allows_pundits_to"]New Live Poll Allows Pundits To Pander To Viewers In Real Time | The Onion - America's Finest News Source[/ame]
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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    I too, I find it interesting that more democrats vote yes for this bill then republicans.

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