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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    IMO, Washington lacks the willingness to take credible fiscal consolidation measures at this time. Moreover, a non-defense, discretionary spending freeze would accomplish very little (savings would be tiny). Given Washington's lack of willingness to deal with its fiscal imbalances, the best chance for some progress might be a failure to gain consensus to renew the expiring tax cuts. Clearly, such a measure would be suboptimal, as a balance between more modest tax hikes, spending reductions, and entitlement reform would be far preferable. But in the face of inaction on an issue that poses a long-term threat to U.S. fiscal and economic vitality, even the suboptimal approach is preferable to inaction.
    Which is quite telling given voting demographics and the lack of debate in regards to indiscretionary spending. A sad but true reality of the situation: what is necessary to do a good job within the realm of politics (responsibility, mindful decision making, etc...) has the tendency to conflict with what assures their employment (getting votes).

    How can we reduce/eliminate such conflicts of interest?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Interestingly, only 16 republicans voted for this. I think it is time for republicans to give up their claim of fiscal conservatism.
    It doesn't matter what the bill is. If Obama is for it they are against it. Don't you know the republicans are the part of "no" now?

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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    It doesn't matter what the bill is. If Obama is for it they are against it. Don't you know the republicans are the part of "no" now?
    And the worst part of it is, most people won't even notice them going against their ideals since all they ever see is two "analysts" screaming at each other for five minutes on fox news.

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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    the stupid president got his skinny ass slapped all over washington today, on every front, and usually by members of his own party

    1. the bipartisan graham/talent commission, offshoot of the 9-11 commision, gave him an F on "stopping the spread of wmd's"

    the eminent panelists reported that the administration's woeful handling of the h1n1 vaccine bodes very poorly for the govt's ability to deal with a germ or bio attack

    2. obama's debt commission, flip side of his Financial Crisis Responsibility Fee, centerpiece of his post massachusetts agenda, was KILLED ON THE FLOOR

    3. prominent party members wrote to holder demanding to know exactly who moved mutallab before civil authorities, why security wasn't even consulted, and insisting that the wannabe bomber be returned to military milieu

    4. the president's spending freeze which, after the instant death of his bank tax became the newest focus of his brand new domestic policy, was subject to immediate resistance from senators harkin, sanders, inouye, leahy, sherrod brown, cardin, kerry, murray and stabenow

    a peach as low hanging as a spending freeze rendered beyond reach BY HIS OWN PARTY

    ON THE EVE OF SOTU!

    unbelievable

    i've never seen anything like it

    obama's post massachusetts reaction has been a catastrophe

    it was best encapsuled by gibbs on fns, who said of MA---"more people voted to express their support of barack obama than to oppose him"

    the stupidest press secty went on to "hope scott brown doesn't misread the electorate" the way those do who actually thought the pickup driving populist WON

    Obama Gets 'F' on Stopping Spread of Weapons of Mass Destruction

    Two Senate Democrats want KSM trial out of NYC - Kasie Hunt - POLITICO.com

    Obama Spending Freeze Lands on Hill with Thud - The Note
    Sir you have got to be the worst partisan hack I have ever seen on any political site bar none. And the double spacing is just as redundant. It's time to ignore your posts. There's just nothing there except Obama bad, liberals bad, democrats bad, blah blah blah. BORING!

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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    And the worst part of it is, most people won't even notice them going against their ideals since all they ever see is two "analysts" screaming at each other for five minutes on fox news.
    Tell me about it. I had someone I lost contact with recently call me that is so backword he refuses to use a computer because it's "bad" and has post it notes all over the place in his place of business. He screws up orders left and right because he's so disorganized, and the silly post it notes everywhere don't help. Anyway, we got to talking about the economy and he asked me if I listened to Glen Beck. I said, "no he's a crack pot as far as I'm concerned." He told me to give him another chance as Glen is "spot on."

    What's really sad is this guy used to be a college professor and he listens to that crap and eats it up!

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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i'm a very tired of your veiled and not-so veiled references to my intelligence. it seems to me that we had some very good years under clinton without massive tax cuts. in the middle of 2 wars, the bush tax cuts were irresponsible.

    ss is NOT a "pet project, btw, it's the only income many people have in their old age.
    Wait, irresponsible?

    You do realize that Bush Tax Revenues were record breaking don't you?
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Which is quite telling given voting demographics and the lack of debate in regards to indiscretionary spending. A sad but true reality of the situation: what is necessary to do a good job within the realm of politics (responsibility, mindful decision making, etc...) has the tendency to conflict with what assures their employment (getting votes).

    How can we reduce/eliminate such conflicts of interest?
    We can't. The only way we can turn them around is via an economic crash which sadly I think is in our future. We will then have to start from scratch, and probably just like the Great Depression did, it will make people and their congress critters much more frugal. Hopefully we will vote all of them out too.

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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Wait, irresponsible?

    You do realize that Bush Tax Revenues were record breaking don't you?
    as were his deficits. and as a percentage of our economy, no, the revenues were not record breaking.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    as were his deficits. and as a percentage of our economy, no, the revenues were not record breaking.
    An old wise man once said: "its not important how much you make, but how much you keep."
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    Well, I guess that this proves that Republicans love deficits. After all, that's what this was about, wasn't it? A pro-deficit versus anti-deficit vote? Because it's all about politics... and voting in favor of deficits is great politics

    As has already been mentioned, votes correlated more closely with time in office than with party. There's more to this than the surface, as is almost always the case. But don't let that stop you from bashing the Republicans as the pro-deficit party....

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