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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    agreed...time to put up or shut up....would have definitely thought this would have gotten more repubs
    An extra-legislative commission to veto their pork?

    That's going to step on toes in both parties, and it has doubtful constitutionality.

    Does the Commission wait until a bill is written and ready to submit to the Executive before coming down and excising portions of the bill? Then it would have to go through some kind of reconciliation process again, or it would be protested as an infringement on the Executive Branch, to name two issues with it.

    Would the Commission have the power to override committee decisions before a bill is sent to the floor of the House or Senate? How could that work?

    Would this commission have the power to interfere with amendments introduced on the floor?

    I don't see where giving a minority of Senators or Congressment this kind of power is wise, when we already can't trust the bastards to obey the same laws they impose on us.

    Does this Commission just make "recommendations"? What's the point in that, if there's no authority to enact them? Private watch-dog groups already do this.
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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Agreeing with the principle doesn't mean you have to agree with every single proposal that purports to advance that principle. The split down the middle by both parties indicates that there was more than just politics at play
    Except that this is some of the first real efforts in years to control the deficit, and over half the republicans where against it. At least over half of democrats supported doing something about the deficit. When republicans controlled the WH and congress, we got zero deficit reduction. This whole concept of trying to excuse things by saying you just disagree with this is old and played out. Republicans have done exactly nothing to control the deficit.
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    Spurred by Baucus, the Senate voted 97 to 0 to exempt Social Security from the expedited decision-making process, a decision likely to make it more difficult for any future deficit-reduction task force to cut Social Security.
    In light of this little nugget, I am curious to see why 26 republicans voted against the idea. I wonder if they will say that it would be ineffective when they pretty much unanimously voted to keep social security off the chopping block.

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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    I too, I find it interesting that more democrats vote yes for this bill then republicans.
    Means only one thing:

    That the Democrats see ways to aggrandize their power via this commission.

    It's what Democrats DO.

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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Except that this is some of the first real efforts in years to control the deficit, and over half the republicans where against it. At least over half of democrats supported doing something about the deficit. When republicans controlled the WH and congress, we got zero deficit reduction. This whole concept of trying to excuse things by saying you just disagree with this is old and played out. Republicans have done exactly nothing to control the deficit.
    And 22 democrats voted against it, so I think it's clear that it's not a partisan thing.

    Again, the fact that they didn't support this proposal is not evidence that they don't support fiscal responsibility. If Obama proposed to cut the deficit by seizing the assets of Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, would opposing that mean that someone was against fiscal responsibility, or would it simply mean that they think that's a bad way to cut the deficit?

    When this panel would have a majority of Democrats and would be in charge of crafting a proposal that would have to face an up or down vote, if I were a Republican in the Senate, I'd be a bit wary as well.

    It's not like there's anything stopping them from making the same cuts even without this commission.
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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And 22 democrats voted against it, so I think it's clear that it's not a partisan thing.
    We have finally found something that both Dems and Repubs can agree on: pork.
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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    it's a POWER grab

    the white house recommends that both houses create this commission of 10 D's and 8 R's which has the power to FORCE floor votes on issues it deems dear

    12 of the 18 will be picked by reid, pelosi, mcconnell and boehner

    SIX ARE SELECTED BY THE PREZ

    there ya go

    he's a loser, his fingers are resented, his careful "recommendations" are rebuffed

    the composition of the commission ensured it's approach would always lean to tax hikes over spending cuts

    republicans were all over the sunday talks---construct a committee that only can cut and we're tickled pink

    so now the plastic populist will on cue threaten his executive order

    but that, according to mtp's david gregory, is non binding

    oh well, party on

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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    Oh well good riddance to fiscal responsibility window dressing.

    If the U.S Senate or Congress wants to balance the budget, they could cut subsidies to farmers, auto industry, the defence industry, etc. Get rid of the department of education, department of energy, etc, etc. Tell the Army, Airforce and Navy, that they need to co-ordinate the their research programs better, and stop wasting millions on any new concept, without first establishing whether the technology is necessary or required.

    I'm sure I could go on, and that plenty of other people would have ideas as to how to cut U.S government debt. But unlike a commission, that would require politicians to grow balls, and to stop pandering to the every whim of their electorate or special interest lobby group.

    Anyway, I must get back to praising der Leader........

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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    maybe we should start in chicago

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    Re: Senate says 'no' to federal debt commission Obama endorsed

    Methinks the republican votes against this are because too many Republicans (and Democrats, for that matter) are NOT fiscal conservatives, however much it may be considered part of Republican Party credo by some.
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