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Leaders favouring peace talks with Taliban

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After hitting southern Afghanistan with tens of thousands of additional soldiers in an effort to weaken a resurgent Taliban, the NATO-led military alliance is considering a plan to end the war by entering power-sharing negotiations with Taliban leaders and former fighters.

The scenario of a negotiated peace and a joint government involving the Taliban, once considered unlikely and controversial, is gaining momentum ahead of a critical summit on Afghanistan in London on Thursday.

Within a 24-hour period, senior figures in the Afghan government and the United Nations – and perhaps most startlingly, the top U.S. general in Afghanistan – all endorsed seeking some form of peace settlement with the Taliban, which has battled Western forces to a standstill in the war-torn southern provinces.

“As a soldier, my personal feeling is that there's been enough fighting,” U.S. General Stanley McChrystal, the senior NATO commander in the 42-nation Afghan mission, said in an interview with the Financial Times. “I believe that a political solution to all conflicts is the inevitable outcome. And it's the right outcome.”

By saying that Taliban leaders could be included in a future Afghan government and suggesting that Afghans should “extend olive branches” to the insurgents, Gen. McChrystal has gone further than any previous U.S. commander.

Canada's position on talks with the Taliban has gradually evolved over the past four years, from complete rejection to the point where the Harper government now considers some kind of reconciliation necessary to lasting peace.

At a meeting in Istanbul yesterday ahead of the London conference, Afghan President Hamid Karzai told reporters that he wants to begin negotiations with the more moderate of the several groups usually classified as “Taliban.”

“I will be making a statement at the conference in London to the effect of removing Taliban names from the United Nations sanctions list,” Mr. Karzai said.

Kai Eide, the UN Special Representative for Afghanistan, told The New York Times hours earlier that he wants to begin bringing the Taliban into talks on governing the country. “If you want relevant results, then you have to talk to the relevant person in authority,” he said. “I think the time has come to do it.”

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, who is organizing the 60-nation summit, said yesterday that he agrees with this approach, saying it is “right to believe that over the long term we can split the Taliban.”

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Talks with Taliban gain traction in plan for Afghan peace - The Globe and Mail

Sounds like a sensible approach to me. Fighting has proven not to get us anywhere really, a viable political solution is necessary.
 
Sure they should definitely maybe try to make peace with the Cult leaders of the most restrictive Government to come along in over 60 years. Forget the atrocities they were famous for the massive restrictions they put on woman to insure that they remained nothing more than slaves to the brutal treatment of men.
Lets set aside the fact that the only way the Russians were defeated there was we gave the mujahedin the tool they needed. Oh yes and how did they repay that help? They repaid it by becoming 100 times worse to their own people than the Russian had been.

By all means sit down and talk with these useless pieces of garbage and sign a deal with them to share power or allow them to talk part in important decisions concerning the futre of the people of that impoverished Nation.

And when that doesn't work they best be ready to go in and kill everyone of these cult members because they are never to be trusted because at the core of the existence is the Radical Cult of Islam that allows them to lie and to kill the innocent to achieve their goals.

No amount of talking to a snake will ever convince the snake it's a bunny rabbit, and it's foolish and naive to think otherwise.

I'm sorry but there is a time to talk and there is a time to kill the enemy and when you are dealing with a ruthless Radical Cult it's time to kill enough of them a to render them harmless, and the only way to do that is by over whelming force that is o powerful they dare not lift a finger in opposition, and if they do kill them. Don't talk don't hesitate don't take prisoners. War is an ugly business and only the side willing to use what ever means is available will emerge victorious. Sounds awful but a few take no prisoner wars where nothing but victory mattered and there would suddenly be a lot less conflicts in the world. Even the dumb ass Chinese and Russian would calm down if they knew they would face total and complete obliteration.
 
Personally, I think the Taliban should have a quick chat with the Orkin man. Perhaps he might be able to dispatch them to their peace.

But that's just me. :rofl
 
I'm sorry but there is a time to talk and there is a time to kill the enemy and when you are dealing with a ruthless Radical Cult it's time to kill enough of them a to render them harmless, and the only way to do that is by over whelming force that is o powerful they dare not lift a finger in opposition, and if they do kill them. Don't talk don't hesitate don't take prisoners. War is an ugly business and only the side willing to use what ever means is available will emerge victorious. Sounds awful but a few take no prisoner wars where nothing but victory mattered and there would suddenly be a lot less conflicts in the world. Even the dumb ass Chinese and Russian would calm down if they knew they would face total and complete obliteration.

It's not that we haven't been fighting the Taliban, but they've been winning of late, we're losing ground to them. Let's be real here, you're discussing conventional warfare tactics. This is not a conventional war! We've tried fighting them, hasn't worked.
 
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"the NATO-led military alliance is considering a plan to end the war by entering power-sharing negotiations with Taliban leaders and former fighters."

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I'm envisioning a scenario like when the Police send out "You Won a New Car" fliers to thugs with outstanding warrants on them....
 
"the NATO-led military alliance is considering a plan to end the war by entering power-sharing negotiations with Taliban leaders and former fighters."

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I'm envisioning a scenario like when the Police send out "You Won a New Car" fliers to thugs with outstanding warrants on them....

Haha, that would be pretty cool. Get all the Taliban leaders in one place, make it seem like a proper meeting, then have a bunch of soldiers with guns round 'em all up! :mrgreen:
 
It's not that we haven't been fighting the Taliban, but they've been winning of late, we're losing ground to them. Let's be real here, you're discussing conventional warfare tactics. This is not a conventional war! We've tried fighting them, hasn't worked.

Sooooo....before the long-delayed, Obama-impeded surge the military requested has a chance to succeed or even be implemented, the quitters are surrendering.

How many of these people can say the words "Bush's efforts in Iraq were a success" without having a stroke?
 
Sooooo....before the long-delayed, Obama-impeded surge the military requested has a chance to succeed or even be implemented, the quitters are surrendering.

Can the American military be in Afghanistan forever? I can assure you that the Taliban will be around long after everyone leaves.
 
Can the American military be in Afghanistan forever? I can assure you that the Taliban will be around long after everyone leaves.

If we can't, we should poison the land with Co-60 before we depart.

People need to be shown what happens when they mess with the best.

Don't say war doesn't solve problems, Carthage vanished completely, I wonder why.
 
If we can't, we should poison the land with Co-60 before we depart.

People need to be shown what happens when they mess with the best.

Don't say war doesn't solve problems, Carthage vanished completely, I wonder why.

Yes, because all Afghans were responsible for Al-Qaida and the Taliban. Real humanitarian of ya. :roll:
 
Can the American military be in Afghanistan forever? I can assure you that the Taliban will be around long after everyone leaves.

Not if we kill'em all.
 
Yes, because all Afghans were responsible for Al-Qaida and the Taliban. Real humanitarian of ya. :roll:

Of course.

We always, in every war we've ever fought, only fought the two old men in command of the army, we never ever not once, not ever, recognized that the general population of the enemy nation is a valid target for war. Why, the nerve of us. You'd almost think we were viscious enough to drop nuclear weapons on populated cities, even. But we've never done that, oh, no!

It's ****ing war, child. Get your romantic images of heroic bull**** out of your head and get your head out of your ass. Our goal isn't to make life wonderful for people living in Afghanistan, our goal is to stop people in Afghanistan from attacking our nation. If we can't achieve that goal by normal military means, we need to impose other methods to ensure that goal is met.

Dickering with the people who've masterminded the earlier murders and acts of war is not a solution to the problem of stopping people in Afghanistan from committing acts of war against the United States.

Making Afghanistan unhabitable is one way of making sure there's no people in Afghanistan, and hence no people in Afghanistan will be attacking the US in the future.

The other nations will get the hint, damn quick.
 
Of course.

We always, in every war we've ever fought, only fought the two old men in command of the army, we never ever not once, not ever, recognized that the general population of the enemy nation is a valid target for war. Why, the nerve of us. You'd almost think we were viscious enough to drop nuclear weapons on populated cities, even. But we've never done that, oh, no!

It's ****ing war, child. Get your romantic images of heroic bull**** out of your head and get your head out of your ass. Our goal isn't to make life wonderful for people living in Afghanistan, our goal is to stop people in Afghanistan from attacking our nation. If we can't achieve that goal by normal military means, we need to impose other methods to ensure that goal is met.

Dickering with the people who've masterminded the earlier murders and acts of war is not a solution to the problem of stopping people in Afghanistan from committing acts of war against the United States.

Making Afghanistan unhabitable is one way of making sure there's no people in Afghanistan, and hence no people in Afghanistan will be attacking the US in the future.

The other nations will get the hint, damn quick.

And people wonder why there's so much anti-Americanism in the world. Geez, I'm glad you guys will never be President. :roll:
 
And people wonder why there's so much anti-Americanism in the world. Geez, I'm glad you guys will never be President. :roll:

I do wonder at times. If we try to help, we get people hating us for what we are doing. If we don't help, people hate us for doing nothing.

What is your solution to the Taliban problem?

The one I came up with is we tell the Taliban and Afgan people, its your country so come to an agreement. But, if we are attacked and the attackers came from your country or the Taliban living within your borders, your country will turned into fused sand within 48 hours of the attack. It is way past time for the Afgan people to take control of their country.
 
I do wonder at times. If we try to help, we get people hating us for what we are doing. If we don't help, people hate us for doing nothing.

Well most people in the West don't hate you for Afghanistan. Hell, a lot of Western countries are there with you!

What is your solution to the Taliban problem?

I think the best solution would be a power-sharing arrangement with the Taliban and the Northern Alliance (Karzai's side), with compromises made to avoid further civil war. Sure it might not be a liberal democracy like we want it to be, but Afghanistan isn't going to be that anyways. The US would have to keep an eye on the situation to make sure Al-Qaida doesn't come back, and be willing to send in Special Forces to deal with them if they do.
 
My solution to the Afghanistan Problem is this:

We spend six years cleaning up Iraq, but Bush's plan was finally a success.

In the meantime, we ignored Afghanland and have effectively spend less than two years cleaning that place up, and less than two months since the Delay While Americans Die on the Battlefield Messiah dithered about sending more troops to Afghanistan. Since your typical military occupation lasts almost two decades, we need to continue killing the Taliban where ever found and helping the Afghan people work at developing a stable strong democracy that can resist the Taliban when we finally do leave.

That process is going to take something close to a decade. Even longer if the Messiah, who still hasn't defined what "victory" is in Afghanistan, doesn't expend any effort working for that which he's too incompetent to understand.

So, the first step in establishing a successful Afghanistan Policy is the replacement of the President of the United States.

After that, expect to spend close to a decade before solid results are seen.
 
That process is going to take something close to a decade. Even longer if the Messiah, who still hasn't defined what "victory" is in Afghanistan, doesn't expend any effort working for that which he's too incompetent to understand.

Right, because pouring more troops into Afghanistan isn't any effort.
 
Right, because pouring more troops into Afghanistan isn't any effort.

Whatever.

Meanwhile, since the Messiah can't define "victory" in Afghanistan, the effort the troops make are effectively unguided.

"Kill Taliban" is a good start, but there has to be more, so that the Taliban ceases to become a group of political import in the region.

I don't see the Messiah working on that too hard. He didn't even want to send the number of troops requested. Because He's the Messiah, with absolutely no military experience, and He knows more about what to do than the generals in charge.
 
Whatever.

Meanwhile, since the Messiah can't define "victory" in Afghanistan, the effort the troops make are effectively unguided.

"Kill Taliban" is a good start, but there has to be more, so that the Taliban ceases to become a group of political import in the region.

I don't see the Messiah working on that too hard. He didn't even want to send the number of troops requested. Because He's the Messiah, with absolutely no military experience, and He knows more about what to do than the generals in charge.

He's still an improvement over the major **** up that was the Bush admin.
 
Getting out of afghanistan sounds like a good way to help reduce the federal deficit. Lets do it.
 
What our liberal forgiving left wing friends forget is we are the infidels, they want us to convert or die........They are starting to get their sorry asses kicked.....Of course they want a truce to regroup..

I say kill them all.........No trials, military commissions will do the trick.....

Don't forget 9/11/01 my left wing apologists!!!!!!!!!!!
 
What our liberal forgiving left wing friends forget is we are the infidels, they want us to convert or die........They are starting to get their sorry asses kicked.....Of course they want a truce to regroup..

I say kill them all.........No trials, military commissions will do the trick.....

Don't forget 9/11/01 my left wing apologists!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, remember that 9 years ago there was an attack which took out as many people as 10% of our yearly traffic fatalities. And remember that to excuse forever war against ideologies instead of looking at any potential cause or work towards attacking the root causes. Remember! Because if you don't, the fear tactics may stop working and then what would the government use to excuse massive expansion, interventionist, state building, big brother policies?

Oh please won't you think of government power!
 
What our liberal forgiving left wing friends forget is we are the infidels, they want us to convert or die........They are starting to get their sorry asses kicked.....Of course they want a truce to regroup..

Got a link for that? The last I heard the Taliban were encroaching on Kabul (the only place that the central gov't has actual control over), and had taken control of the major highways, impeding convoys etc.

I say kill them all

More fantasy.
 
Yes, remember that 9 years ago there was an attack which took out as many people as 10% of our yearly traffic fatalities. And remember that to excuse forever war against ideologies instead of looking at any potential cause or work towards attacking the root causes. Remember! Because if you don't, the fear tactics may stop working and then what would the government use to excuse massive expansion, interventionist, state building, big brother policies?

Oh please won't you think of government power!

You just don't get it and never will........What part of they want to kill you do you not understand???????????????//
 
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