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    Re: Leaders favouring peace talks with Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Can the American military be in Afghanistan forever? I can assure you that the Taliban will be around long after everyone leaves.
    Not if we kill'em all.
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    Re: Leaders favouring peace talks with Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Yes, because all Afghans were responsible for Al-Qaida and the Taliban. Real humanitarian of ya.
    Of course.

    We always, in every war we've ever fought, only fought the two old men in command of the army, we never ever not once, not ever, recognized that the general population of the enemy nation is a valid target for war. Why, the nerve of us. You'd almost think we were viscious enough to drop nuclear weapons on populated cities, even. But we've never done that, oh, no!

    It's ****ing war, child. Get your romantic images of heroic bull**** out of your head and get your head out of your ass. Our goal isn't to make life wonderful for people living in Afghanistan, our goal is to stop people in Afghanistan from attacking our nation. If we can't achieve that goal by normal military means, we need to impose other methods to ensure that goal is met.

    Dickering with the people who've masterminded the earlier murders and acts of war is not a solution to the problem of stopping people in Afghanistan from committing acts of war against the United States.

    Making Afghanistan unhabitable is one way of making sure there's no people in Afghanistan, and hence no people in Afghanistan will be attacking the US in the future.

    The other nations will get the hint, damn quick.

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    Re: Leaders favouring peace talks with Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Of course.

    We always, in every war we've ever fought, only fought the two old men in command of the army, we never ever not once, not ever, recognized that the general population of the enemy nation is a valid target for war. Why, the nerve of us. You'd almost think we were viscious enough to drop nuclear weapons on populated cities, even. But we've never done that, oh, no!

    It's ****ing war, child. Get your romantic images of heroic bull**** out of your head and get your head out of your ass. Our goal isn't to make life wonderful for people living in Afghanistan, our goal is to stop people in Afghanistan from attacking our nation. If we can't achieve that goal by normal military means, we need to impose other methods to ensure that goal is met.

    Dickering with the people who've masterminded the earlier murders and acts of war is not a solution to the problem of stopping people in Afghanistan from committing acts of war against the United States.

    Making Afghanistan unhabitable is one way of making sure there's no people in Afghanistan, and hence no people in Afghanistan will be attacking the US in the future.

    The other nations will get the hint, damn quick.
    And people wonder why there's so much anti-Americanism in the world. Geez, I'm glad you guys will never be President.
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    Re: Leaders favouring peace talks with Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    And people wonder why there's so much anti-Americanism in the world. Geez, I'm glad you guys will never be President.
    I do wonder at times. If we try to help, we get people hating us for what we are doing. If we don't help, people hate us for doing nothing.

    What is your solution to the Taliban problem?

    The one I came up with is we tell the Taliban and Afgan people, its your country so come to an agreement. But, if we are attacked and the attackers came from your country or the Taliban living within your borders, your country will turned into fused sand within 48 hours of the attack. It is way past time for the Afgan people to take control of their country.
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    Re: Leaders favouring peace talks with Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I do wonder at times. If we try to help, we get people hating us for what we are doing. If we don't help, people hate us for doing nothing.
    Well most people in the West don't hate you for Afghanistan. Hell, a lot of Western countries are there with you!

    What is your solution to the Taliban problem?
    I think the best solution would be a power-sharing arrangement with the Taliban and the Northern Alliance (Karzai's side), with compromises made to avoid further civil war. Sure it might not be a liberal democracy like we want it to be, but Afghanistan isn't going to be that anyways. The US would have to keep an eye on the situation to make sure Al-Qaida doesn't come back, and be willing to send in Special Forces to deal with them if they do.
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    Re: Leaders favouring peace talks with Taliban

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    And people wonder why there's so much anti-Americanism in the world.
    I don't care.

    The goal is to live and succeed, not be everyone's dead patsy.

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    Re: Leaders favouring peace talks with Taliban

    My solution to the Afghanistan Problem is this:

    We spend six years cleaning up Iraq, but Bush's plan was finally a success.

    In the meantime, we ignored Afghanland and have effectively spend less than two years cleaning that place up, and less than two months since the Delay While Americans Die on the Battlefield Messiah dithered about sending more troops to Afghanistan. Since your typical military occupation lasts almost two decades, we need to continue killing the Taliban where ever found and helping the Afghan people work at developing a stable strong democracy that can resist the Taliban when we finally do leave.

    That process is going to take something close to a decade. Even longer if the Messiah, who still hasn't defined what "victory" is in Afghanistan, doesn't expend any effort working for that which he's too incompetent to understand.

    So, the first step in establishing a successful Afghanistan Policy is the replacement of the President of the United States.

    After that, expect to spend close to a decade before solid results are seen.

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    Re: Leaders favouring peace talks with Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    That process is going to take something close to a decade. Even longer if the Messiah, who still hasn't defined what "victory" is in Afghanistan, doesn't expend any effort working for that which he's too incompetent to understand.
    Right, because pouring more troops into Afghanistan isn't any effort.
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    Re: Leaders favouring peace talks with Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Right, because pouring more troops into Afghanistan isn't any effort.
    Whatever.

    Meanwhile, since the Messiah can't define "victory" in Afghanistan, the effort the troops make are effectively unguided.

    "Kill Taliban" is a good start, but there has to be more, so that the Taliban ceases to become a group of political import in the region.

    I don't see the Messiah working on that too hard. He didn't even want to send the number of troops requested. Because He's the Messiah, with absolutely no military experience, and He knows more about what to do than the generals in charge.

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    Re: Leaders favouring peace talks with Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Whatever.

    Meanwhile, since the Messiah can't define "victory" in Afghanistan, the effort the troops make are effectively unguided.

    "Kill Taliban" is a good start, but there has to be more, so that the Taliban ceases to become a group of political import in the region.

    I don't see the Messiah working on that too hard. He didn't even want to send the number of troops requested. Because He's the Messiah, with absolutely no military experience, and He knows more about what to do than the generals in charge.
    He's still an improvement over the major **** up that was the Bush admin.
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