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Obama to propose spending freeze

AgentM said:
What slack? Canada doesn't go out and make enemies the way the US does. We don't have imperial ambitions like you do. Most of the time we leave people alone, and they leave us alone.
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Historically, leaving people alone was insufficient to ensure safety and stablity of both individual nations, and conceivably the world in total. You must be basing your idea on emotion, not history?

The fact is the U.S. military is a defacto world military. Many nations rely on the U.S. for military backing, and they don't have to fund their military nearly as much as they might otherwise need to. Comparing the size of the U.S. military to other nations, who enjoy the umbrella of security it offers, is absurd.

If any country poses a serious invasion threat to Canada, it's the US, and frankly there's no way our military could stop you from invading us if you really wanted to. You'd just have to fend off the insurgency later, and deal with the international consequences. :mrgreen:
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lol. The U.S. is a threat to Canada? You bene reading Cheney's 1% doctorine or something?
 
NoJingoLingo said:
This is a stupid idea now just like it was a stupid idea during the campaigns. Obama is caving to the corporatist loons.
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Yes, because everyone knows that corporations are begging the government to stop consuming.
 
Redress said:
I knew that as soon as Obama proposed something in relation to controlling the deficit, those who cried the loudest about the deficit would still find ways to bitch, so I am not at all surprised by the way this thread has gone. I think some of you need to admit you really don't care about the deficit, you just want to bitch about Obama.
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What if we are "bitching" for a legitimate reason? Obama doesn't care about the deficit, it's all political manipulation. I will argue that it's because we care about the deficit that we are complaining about his actions. He is still raising it and these steps are all about manipulation to try and appease Americans that view the rising deficit as something the government should fix. I would support Obama 100% if he chose to re-evaluate the budges and force the government to live within its means, meaning not spending more then what we take in (assuming he allots spending in the correct places like national security etc...)

I wouldn't generalize by saying people who don't support Obama and his policies will hate him regardless of whatever decision he makes. I was quite pleased when he announced to send troops to Afghanistan, I supported him on that.
 
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Redress said:
I knew that as soon as Obama proposed something in relation to controlling the deficit, those who cried the loudest about the deficit would still find ways to bitch, so I am not at all surprised by the way this thread has gone. I think some of you need to admit you really don't care about the deficit, you just want to bitch about Obama.
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Yes, people who've been paying attention to the government for years know that all politicians are expert shell gamers, and when they show you the pea, you should be aware that there's a shill in the crowd stealing your wallet.

The Messiah is proposing a conservative idea proposed over twenty years ago, back when it might have been effective at controlling government growth, and there's no point in pretending that it would do any good now.

$25B in deficit "savings" when he's got $700B in "stimulus" money doing nothing right now?

Yes, that Messianic proposal is nothing but whitewash on the Hairy Pig of government waste in a lame attempt to appease those "independent" voters who are too stupid to see the curly tail.
 
digsbe said:
What if we are "bitching" for a legitimate reason? Obama doesn't care about the deficit, it's all political manipulation. I will argue that it's because we care about the deficit that we are complaining about his actions. He is still raising it and these steps are all about manipulation to try and appease Americans that view the rising deficit as something the government should fix. I would support Obama 100% if he chose to re-evaluate the budges and force the government to live within its means, meaning not spending more then what we take in (assuming he allots spending in the correct places like national security etc...)

I wouldn't generalize by saying people who don't support Obama and his policies will hate him regardless of whatever decision he makes. I was quite pleased when he announced to send troops to Afghanistan, I supported him on that.
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First, you are making an assumption of motives which is not provable. You want it to be true, so you believe it, but you are still just making an assumption.

Secondly, working towards a goal of reducing the deficit is admirable, and not something we have seen much of over the last 40 years. This is certainly not enough, but it is better than nothing. What remains to be seen is if he does more or not. If he does not do more, then you have room to bitch, but bitching because he is doing something you want him to do, but because you think his motives might be, maybe, questionable, possibly is just stupid.

Thirdly, it is simply impossible to simply go from where we are, to no deficit in a single step. It will, unfortunately, take time. It's not so simple as just saying "oh, let's not spend more than we bring in".
 
PBO isn't going to cut spending. That would take a line item veto; and which party is the party that is opposed to the line item veto?
 
apdst said:
PBO isn't going to cut spending. That would take a line item veto; and which party is the party that is opposed to the line item veto?
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That would be the Supreme Court back in the 90s. Although if I recall correctly there has been legislation going around for years trying to get around that SCOTUS decision.

Clinton used it a lot while he had it. It worked.
 
Winnb said:
That would be the Supreme Court back in the 90s. Although if I recall correctly there has been legislation going around for years trying to get around that SCOTUS decision.

Clinton used it a lot while he had it. It worked.
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It's been brought a few times and each time the Dems vote against it.

Be that what it is, PBO isn't going to freeze spending.
 
apdst said:
It's been brought a few times and each time the Dems vote against it.

Be that what it is, PBO isn't going to freeze spending.
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Not all Dems are against it. "McCain & Feingold" brought it up again recently. Of course that was on their last album. Not their best stuff... :lol:
 
Winnb said:
That would be the Supreme Court back in the 90s. Although if I recall correctly there has been legislation going around for years trying to get around that SCOTUS decision.

Clinton used it a lot while he had it. It worked.
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It's not a matter for "legislation", the damn congress has to pass an Amendment out to the States to be ratified.

And Clinton used it only a few times before it was declared null and void by the courts. And the court's arguments against a legislated Line Item Veto were valid.
 
apdst said:
It's been brought a few times and each time the Dems vote against it.

Be that what it is, PBO isn't going to freeze spending.
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He's going to put a skin of ice on the money bucket and drain it from the bottom, where no one not paying attention will notice. After all, that skin of ice will still be there for everyone to see, right?
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
It's not a matter for "legislation", the damn congress has to pass an Amendment out to the States to be ratified.

And Clinton used it only a few times before it was declared null and void by the courts. And the court's arguments against a legislated Line Item Veto were valid.
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Agreed. Congress can put forth an amendment. I'm still not sure how I feel about it though...
 
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I'm a hopin' the Messiah comes stumpin' all OVER California for Barbara Boxer, I really do.
 
a day before SOTU the prez aint goin over real well

ouch

and on such EASY PICKINGS as a FREEZE

LOL!

Obama Spending Freeze Lands on Hill with Thud - The Note

he's dead

his entire domestic agenda is completely out of reach

the only thing that's left is his brand new bank tax

after a year of obamite ambtion, repeated each a million times

and the bank tax weren't no part of it

brand new, no vision, no plan, pure reaction, pure politics

and phony, plastic populism

pathetic

he's way too DUMB to find a way out of this

(some of us around here could tell him)

but he's way too DUMB to find it on his own

just watch

he's doing it right in front of you, day after dreary day

the most incompetent politician apple pie ever produced

he has NO foreign policy, none, except HIS escalation of afghanistan

are you EXCITED to see exactly WHICH obama will show up tomorrow?

i know i sure am

i got a THRILL up my leg
 
Obama's spending freeze: Prudence or posturing? - CNN.com

obama's such a phony even cnn can see thru, plain as a pane

prudence or posturing, asks the one time clinton news network

such a hypocrite, he calls out mccain for his hatchet

then flourishes his fingernail clippper after a year of throwing trillions of taxpayer dollars that don't exist at anything that might possibly contribute to one of his campaigns

shame
 
RightinNYC said:
Yes, because everyone knows that corporations are begging the government to stop consuming.
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Just because people don't realize they are corporate shills doesn't mean they aren't. What effect would a spending freeze have? It will appease some of the right-wing nuts and that's it.
 
digsbe said:
What if we are "bitching" for a legitimate reason? Obama doesn't care about the deficit, it's all political manipulation. I will argue that it's because we care about the deficit that we are complaining about his actions. He is still raising it and these steps are all about manipulation to try and appease Americans that view the rising deficit as something the government should fix. I would support Obama 100% if he chose to re-evaluate the budges and force the government to live within its means, meaning not spending more then what we take in (assuming he allots spending in the correct places like national security etc...)

I wouldn't generalize by saying people who don't support Obama and his policies will hate him regardless of whatever decision he makes. I was quite pleased when he announced to send troops to Afghanistan, I supported him on that.
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Did you raise hell when the repubs decided not to renew "PAYGO" or are democrats the only ones who should pay for their spending? It's simply a question of consistency.

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/25/obama-calls-return-paygo-rule-reduce-federal-deficits/

I thought I'd check to see how Faux News handled the news that the repubs allowed PAYGO to lapse. They barely even mention it until the end of the article, because, you know, it's no big deal to conservatives to pay for money they spend.
 
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NoJingoLingo said:
What effect would a spending freeze have? It will appease some of the right-wing nuts and that's it.
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Taxes are going to have to be raised in the future, this much is certain. Spending freezes will reduce the amount of taxation that will be required to continue to obtain the credit necessary to run this country.

Is a zero debt burden by the federal government likely? Probably not..... for dozens of future generations.
 
NoJingoLingo said:
Just because people don't realize they are corporate shills doesn't mean they aren't. What effect would a spending freeze have? It will appease some of the right-wing nuts and that's it.
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I'm thinking that the 'right wing nuts' are those among the LEAST appeased.
 
NoJingoLingo said:
Just because people don't realize they are corporate shills doesn't mean they aren't.
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Great point, you've really convinced me that corporations are doing all they can to convince Obama to cut expenditures.

What effect would a spending freeze have? It will appease some of the right-wing nuts and that's it.
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According to the President, it would save $250b. Did you miss that part of the story?
 
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