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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I knew that as soon as Obama proposed something in relation to controlling the deficit, those who cried the loudest about the deficit would still find ways to bitch, so I am not at all surprised by the way this thread has gone. I think some of you need to admit you really don't care about the deficit, you just want to bitch about Obama.
    Yes, people who've been paying attention to the government for years know that all politicians are expert shell gamers, and when they show you the pea, you should be aware that there's a shill in the crowd stealing your wallet.

    The Messiah is proposing a conservative idea proposed over twenty years ago, back when it might have been effective at controlling government growth, and there's no point in pretending that it would do any good now.

    $25B in deficit "savings" when he's got $700B in "stimulus" money doing nothing right now?

    Yes, that Messianic proposal is nothing but whitewash on the Hairy Pig of government waste in a lame attempt to appease those "independent" voters who are too stupid to see the curly tail.

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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    What if we are "bitching" for a legitimate reason? Obama doesn't care about the deficit, it's all political manipulation. I will argue that it's because we care about the deficit that we are complaining about his actions. He is still raising it and these steps are all about manipulation to try and appease Americans that view the rising deficit as something the government should fix. I would support Obama 100% if he chose to re-evaluate the budges and force the government to live within its means, meaning not spending more then what we take in (assuming he allots spending in the correct places like national security etc...)

    I wouldn't generalize by saying people who don't support Obama and his policies will hate him regardless of whatever decision he makes. I was quite pleased when he announced to send troops to Afghanistan, I supported him on that.
    First, you are making an assumption of motives which is not provable. You want it to be true, so you believe it, but you are still just making an assumption.

    Secondly, working towards a goal of reducing the deficit is admirable, and not something we have seen much of over the last 40 years. This is certainly not enough, but it is better than nothing. What remains to be seen is if he does more or not. If he does not do more, then you have room to bitch, but bitching because he is doing something you want him to do, but because you think his motives might be, maybe, questionable, possibly is just stupid.

    Thirdly, it is simply impossible to simply go from where we are, to no deficit in a single step. It will, unfortunately, take time. It's not so simple as just saying "oh, let's not spend more than we bring in".
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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    PBO isn't going to cut spending. That would take a line item veto; and which party is the party that is opposed to the line item veto?
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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    PBO isn't going to cut spending. That would take a line item veto; and which party is the party that is opposed to the line item veto?
    That would be the Supreme Court back in the 90s. Although if I recall correctly there has been legislation going around for years trying to get around that SCOTUS decision.

    Clinton used it a lot while he had it. It worked.
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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    That would be the Supreme Court back in the 90s. Although if I recall correctly there has been legislation going around for years trying to get around that SCOTUS decision.

    Clinton used it a lot while he had it. It worked.
    It's been brought a few times and each time the Dems vote against it.

    Be that what it is, PBO isn't going to freeze spending.
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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's been brought a few times and each time the Dems vote against it.

    Be that what it is, PBO isn't going to freeze spending.
    Not all Dems are against it. "McCain & Feingold" brought it up again recently. Of course that was on their last album. Not their best stuff...
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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    That would be the Supreme Court back in the 90s. Although if I recall correctly there has been legislation going around for years trying to get around that SCOTUS decision.

    Clinton used it a lot while he had it. It worked.
    It's not a matter for "legislation", the damn congress has to pass an Amendment out to the States to be ratified.

    And Clinton used it only a few times before it was declared null and void by the courts. And the court's arguments against a legislated Line Item Veto were valid.

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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's been brought a few times and each time the Dems vote against it.

    Be that what it is, PBO isn't going to freeze spending.
    He's going to put a skin of ice on the money bucket and drain it from the bottom, where no one not paying attention will notice. After all, that skin of ice will still be there for everyone to see, right?

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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It's not a matter for "legislation", the damn congress has to pass an Amendment out to the States to be ratified.

    And Clinton used it only a few times before it was declared null and void by the courts. And the court's arguments against a legislated Line Item Veto were valid.
    Agreed. Congress can put forth an amendment. I'm still not sure how I feel about it though...
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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    obtuse obama regularly lambasted mccain for using this "hatchet" approach

    the harvard prepped physician preferred instead his "scalpel"

    except it turned out to be more like a "fingernail clipper"

    tomorrow nite he's gonna swing his populist "sledge hammer"

    he's inconsistent, incoherent

    no one buys the populist bit

    can you picture this president with a "pitchfork?"

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...ng_freeze.html
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