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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    I agree. And your numbers show the root cause of the problem. Let's take a deeper look.

    Cutting Medicaid brings about a hissy fit from the over 65 crowd. They are the most vocal group in America. And they fund the AARP, the most powerful lobbyist organization in America. So how does a politician cut Medicaid? They don't if they want to keep their jobs.
    That doesn't really reflect on whether it would be good policy in the abstract, which is what I was getting at. As I noted, almost none of this is likely to be cut in the short term.

    Despite the conventional wisdom that Medicaid/Medicare are untouchable, they will become very touchable over the next 8-15 years when they start dragging ever-increasing amounts of money from the general budget.

    Welfare. We spent about 4 years under Clinton and a GOP Congress cutting the welfare rolls (remember welfare to work?) and most people will tell you it's now harder to cut any more. Even the GOP couldn't make deeper cuts when they had control of both houses for 6 years.
    Much like they couldn't make cuts to Medicare/aid. Everything is possible, it's just a question of political feasibility.

    Social Security. Completely untouchable and you know that. The AARP will rip the head off of any politician that goes near it. Even Bush and the GOP got slapped when they tried to privatize a tiny percentage of it.
    See above.

    DOD. Again almost untouchable for the GOP and the Dems. We have such a macho "John Wayne" mentality in America about our military that anyone who cuts defense spending is considered a wimp.
    See above.

    So where does that leave us? You don't want to cut DOD spending, but no one else wants to cut anything else either. And that's the root of the problem. Everyone has an excuse for not cutting spending. Yours is that cutting DOD spending won't amount to much.
    Where did I say I don't want to cut DoD spending? I do want to cut DoD spending - I'm simply noting that even with that, we won't be doing a damn to fix the real problems that we're facing.
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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    We'll save $250B over 10 years?
    US Budget: Obama to Seek 3-year Freeze on US Domestic Spending - CNBC
    That's his plan?

    $250B is what % of the deficits projected thru 2020?

    And yes, while we have to start somewhere, to try to pass this off as anything of significance in an insult to the intelligence of the American people.

    He campaigned against such freezes, BTW.
    RealClearPolitics - Video - Obama Campaigned Against Spending Freeze

    No shame whatsoever in that man. Even less so than WJBC.

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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Obama lies, a spending freeze would be nice but that just ins't truly happening.
    FOXNews.com - Obama Seeks Partial Three-Year Spending Freeze

    Please no "lulz fauxnews" posts.
    Actually he's not lying. It's a spending freeze. Small yes. Temporary yes. But still it's a freeze.

    Would you prefer Obama continue to increasing spending?
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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Often when a Person's back is against the wall, they will do things they don't want to do.
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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    Actually he's not lying. It's a spending freeze. Small yes. Temporary yes. But still it's a freeze.

    Would you prefer Obama continue to increasing spending?
    Guarantee: He -will- continue to increase spending.
    There will be -no- overall year-to-year decrease in federal spending under The Obama.

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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Guarantee: He -will- continue to increase spending.
    There will be -no- overall year-to-year decrease in federal spending under The Obama.
    I would love to disagree with you. Unfortunately I cannot. But I'll take even a temporary half-ass spending freeze for now. It's better than an increase.
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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    I would love to disagree with you. Unfortunately I cannot. But I'll take even a temporary half-ass spending freeze for now. It's better than an increase.
    As I said:
    While we have to start somewhere, to try to pass this off as anything of significance in an insult to the intelligence of the American people.

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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    I take this with a grain of salt. When politicians say that they are going to reduce spending, or freeze spending, what they really mean is that they are going to reduce the rate of growth. But what about the ruinous spending that is already in place? I didn't hear him say that he was going to reduce that. And, since this does not apply to certain programs, such as Homeland Security, it appears to me that overall spending will still actually increase.

    Way to talk around the Q, and your use of smoke and mirrors, Mr. President.
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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I take this with a grain of salt. When politicians say that they are going to reduce spending, or freeze spending, what they really mean is that they are going to reduce the rate of growth. But what about the ruinous spending that is already in place? I didn't hear him say that he was going to reduce that. And, since this does not apply to certain programs, such as Homeland Security, it appears to me that overall spending will still actually increase.

    Way to talk around the Q, and your use of smoke and mirrors, Mr. President.
    There's no question that overall spending will continue to grow.

    And really -- $250B/10yrs = $25B/yr. This 'reduction' in speding is meaningless.

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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Obama to propose spending freeze - Glenn Thrush and David Rogers - POLITICO.com



    This is pretty surprising. Given the shifting national attitude, it looks to be that rare convergence of good policy, good timing, and good politics.
    What it really looks like is that the Democrats' pee-pee is hurting from the whacking the voters gave it with the Brown election, and they're trying to steal a conservative position to con voters that the leech really can change his spots.

    Most voters are aware that leeches don't have spots.

    Also, discretionary spending is a drop in the bucket, growth in unconstitutional entitlements is what's killing us.

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