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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The "context" of the post is about your view of an enemy-making, imperialist, belligerent power. Again, how silly of me.
    No, I was making a point to NYC re: our military capacity. Read my post....or you know, think what you want, I don't really care anymore.
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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    He plans on getting through his other policies (I believe cap and trade is next on the docket), cutting taxes, lowering the deficit and freezing spending? I'm sorry, but this seems to have as much substance as "Hope," and "Change."
    Which is "Zero" and "none".

    BTW, Obambam and spending freeze?? Wouldn't that be a contradiction of terms??


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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    What slack? Canada doesn't go out and make enemies the way the US does. We don't have imperial ambitions like you do. Most of the time we leave people alone, and they leave us alone.
    Canada is part of the UN and NATO, right?

    What do you think would happen if the US cut its military contributions to those organizations by 50%?

    The ISAF in Afghanistan has 85,000 NATO troops, 46,000 of which are from the US. If we cut that in half, that's 23,000 troops that need to be supplied by other NATO members. Note that I'm not even counting the US troops in Afghanistan, but if they weren't there, that would require more involvement by other nations as well.

    The UN has 116,000 peacekeepers operating globally at an annual cost of $7.1b. 22% of that is funded by the US. If we cut that in half, that's an extra $1.6b that the rest of the globe has to come up with each year.
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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Perhaps, but he made deficit spending A-OK by precedent with his needless, wasteful Iraq War.
    He ran a large* deficit for his first year, during a recession, and it fell every year after that until the next recession.









    *"large" by standards of the day; miniscule now, a low level the current White House never expects to reach again.
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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    No, I was making a point to NYC re: our military capacity. Read my post....or you know, think what you want, I don't really care anymore.
    No, I read the post.
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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Canada is part of the UN and NATO, right?

    What do you think would happen if the US cut its military contributions to those organizations by 50%?
    Honestly we don't really need NATO anymore, it's a cold war alliance that is only really useful now for organizational purposes. At least from a Western perspective.

    The ISAF in Afghanistan has 85,000 NATO troops, 46,000 of which are from the US. If we cut that in half, that's 23,000 troops that need to be supplied by other NATO members. Note that I'm not even counting the US troops in Afghanistan, but if they weren't there, that would require more involvement by other nations as well.

    The UN has 116,000 peacekeepers operating globally at an annual cost of $7.1b. 22% of that is funded by the US. If we cut that in half, that's an extra $1.6b that the rest of the globe has to come up with each year.
    Canada is pulling out of Afghanistan next year. The rest of the Western nations involved cannot stay there indefinitely either, eventually everyone will have to pull out, and it will be unlikely that Afghanistan will be "won."

    In general terms, the US is doing all of these things out of self-interest; it's not out of a huge sense of duty to the rest of the world. All those peacekeepers are great, but if the US cut them, the world would just make do.
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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Obama to propose spending freeze - Glenn Thrush and David Rogers - POLITICO.com

    This is pretty surprising. Given the shifting national attitude, it looks to be that rare convergence of good policy, good timing, and good politics.
    His believability account has a major deficit.
    Don't believe a word.

    Just think, his folks went out on the weekend to push healthcare.
    Then this.

    He thinks we're stupid all of the time.

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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    All those peacekeepers are great, but if the US cut them, the world would just make do.
    The US provides funding but no troops. The US has not provided UN peacekeeping troops since forever.
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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The US provides funding but no troops. The US has not provided UN peacekeeping troops since forever.
    Well admittedly the funding is still significant.
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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Well admittedly the funding is still significant.
    Oh of course it is, never denied that. But funding of UN peacekeeping is voluntary btw, and the normal contribution to the UN is not and can not be used for this. Kinda ironic all the UN peacekeeping around the world is run on charity.. both financially and troop wise.
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