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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    However, you could slash your military budget in half, and you'd still have the most military spending in the world probably.
    Not as a percent of GDP.

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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Seems like common sense? I still stand by my statement that the US military is ridiculously large.
    Nobody is disputing that. It's just not as large as our social spending.

    Medicare is unlikely to be cut because seniors make up a significant chunk of the electorate.
    Cutting military spending is just as difficult as cutting Medicare spending. If we're talking practice, neither is going to be cut. If we're talking theory, both should be cut.

    Welfare could be cut, but that could have unwanted social effects and could backfire.
    So could cutting spending on anything.

    Some have suggested that Social Security be privatized, I suppose that's a possibility, not sure how advisable it is though.
    The SS privatization debate has nothing to do with the question of SS spending - it's entirely a matter of solvency of the program.

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Even at 18%, that's still a lot of spending. Admittedly it's not the biggest part of the budget, and I tip my hat to RightinNYC for that information. However, you could slash your military budget in half, and you'd still have the most military spending in the world probably.
    And much of that slack would have to be picked up by other western nations such as yours. For the past 60 years, the US military has served as a subsidy to most of the rest of the world.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Yeah, well no one expects people to get rid of deficits over night, that doesn't happen. In the '90s Canada spent most of a decade getting rid of large deficits, it was a painful and not fun decade for all involved.
    Now you're changing the subject.

    Your premise is that our military budget is what's driving our debt.

    I just showed you that eliminating the military budget entirely still leaves us with a trillion-dollar deficit.

    Thus, it's not military spending causing the vast majority of our debt.

    And no, getting rid of the deficits and paying down the debt will not be pleasant. But it sure would be nice if our current "leadership" wasn't hell-bent on making the problem exponentially worse.
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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And much of that slack would have to be picked up by other western nations such as yours. For the past 60 years, the US military has served as a subsidy to most of the rest of the world.
    What slack? Canada doesn't go out and make enemies the way the US does. We don't have imperial ambitions like you do. Most of the time we leave people alone, and they leave us alone.

    If any country poses a serious invasion threat to Canada, it's the US, and frankly there's no way our military could stop you from invading us if you really wanted to. You'd just have to fend off the insurgency later, and deal with the international consequences.
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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Now you're changing the subject.

    Your premise is that our military budget is what's driving our debt.

    I just showed you that eliminating the military budget entirely still leaves us with a trillion-dollar deficit.
    Alright alright, you win. I capitulate! Uncle!

    And no, getting rid of the deficits and paying down the debt will not be pleasant. But it sure would be nice if our current "leadership" wasn't hell-bent on making the problem exponentially worse.
    I agree, but I didn't see much better from the last admin. either really, Obama's really been following Bush's policies in a lot of areas.
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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    What slack? Canada doesn't go out and make enemies the way the US does. We don't have imperial ambitions like you do. Most of the time we leave people alone, and they leave us alone.

    If any country poses a serious invasion threat to Canada, it's the US, and frankly there's no way our military could stop you from invading us if you really wanted to. You'd just have to fend off the insurgency later, and deal with the international consequences.


    "Imperial ambitions." "Serious invasion threat."

    I guess we know for sure how seriously to take you now.
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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

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    "Imperial ambitions." "Serious invasion threat."

    I guess we know for sure how seriously to take you now.
    Iraq wasn't an imperial ambition?

    I didn't mean serious invasion threat like you're actually going to invade us. Geez, learn how to take things in context.
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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    I agree, but I didn't see much better from the last admin. either really, Obama's really been following Bush's policies in a lot of areas.
    Obama is going to run more debt in a year and half than Bush did in all eight, with no end in sight to it after that. Until the recession hit, the Bush deficits were diminishing per year and were on track to disappear.
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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Obama is going to run more debt in a year and half than Bush did in all eight, with no end in sight to it after that. Until the recession hit, the Bush deficits were diminishing per year and were on track to disappear.
    Perhaps, but he made deficit spending A-OK by precedent with his needless, wasteful Iraq War.
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    Re: Obama to propose spending freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Iraq wasn't an imperial ambition?
    No.


    I didn't mean serious invasion threat like you're actually going to invade us.
    Oh, I get it. The part about "serious invasion threat" didn't mean serious invasion threat. How silly of me.


    Geez, learn how to take things in context.
    The "context" of the post is about your view of an enemy-making, imperialist, belligerent power. Again, how silly of me.
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