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    Laying Haiti's new foundation

    Aid agencies and world leaders meet in Montreal Monday to begin the work of rebuilding Haiti amid hopes that the talk will be of more than bricks and mortar.

    Intangibles such as the Haitian economy, education and health-care systems will be emphasized by groups such as the Red Cross and World Vision when they address dignitaries – including Haitian Prime Minister Jean-Max Bellerive, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner – as well as other members of the informal group of nations calling themselves the Friends of Haiti.

    “This meeting – convened on short notice in the immediate aftermath of the tragedy – will clearly and concretely demonstrate our commitment to Haiti's long-term reconstruction,” said Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon, who is hosting the conference.

    If talks are too focused on the physical reconstruction of buildings and roads, “… what we'll have is new roads, but a society that's still largely dysfunctional,” said Dave Toycen, president of World Vision Canada.

    He will be proposing an approach to rebuilding based on lessons his agency learned in Indonesia after the 2004 tsunami. “I think we all see this as a strategic time to gather consensus to work jointly and see if we really can't move toward the Haiti that we've all be talking about for probably the last 50 years.”

    Eric A. Pierre, the Haitian consul in Toronto, said the international community has taken on a mammoth task. In the long run, he said, “they have to reverse 200 years of history.”

    “I don't see them accomplishing much except a photo opportunity in one day. There has to be sustained and continuous dialogue between Haitians and the Friends of Haiti. It's not going to happen overnight. It's going to take a long time.”

    During a meeting with Prime Minister Stephen Harper, Mr. Bellerive said “the situation is very different” from when he first visited Canada to discuss short-term plans for recovery. He said that he had new objectives and intended to discuss mid-term and long-term challenges at today's conference.

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    This is encouraging. I really hope that the people involved take Haiti's long term future seriously. This conference will hopefully be a good start!
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    Re: Laying Haiti's new foundation

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    This is encouraging. I really hope that the people involved take Haiti's long term future seriously. This conference will hopefully be a good start!
    Step 1 and mandatory for any success: Stamp out corruption. Without it we'll be pouring money into a sink hole.

    Option 2: Colonization for 50 to 100-years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post

    Option 2: Colonization for 50 to 100-years.

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    then you'll be back to where you started from once they start resenting the colonization

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    I don't know why people still think colonialism is still the answer when we see all the damage it did the first time.

    Makes no sense to me.
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    I don't know why people still think colonialism is still the answer when we see all the damage it did the first time.

    Makes no sense to me.
    I agree. Colonization is a horrible idea.

    One idea would be to look at how Japan and Europe's economies were rebuilt after the war and take some ideas from that. Of course it's going to be somewhat different with Haiti because Europe and Japan had previous histories of industrialization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    I agree. Colonization is a horrible idea.

    One idea would be to look at how Japan and Europe's economies were rebuilt after the war and take some ideas from that. Of course it's going to be somewhat different with Haiti because Europe and Japan had previous histories of industrialization.
    I agree. He was right about one thing though. The corruption has to be rooted out and extinguished. It is so bad in Haiti, that it needs to be the #1 priority.

    My wife goes to Haiti 1 or 2 times a year, or has for the last 3 years or so. The stories are amazing at how corrupt the place is. It is not isolated pockets either, it is rampant among anyone who is anyone there. I know that is a blanket statement, but in the case of Haiti, it makes Nigeria look like a wellspring of honesty.
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    Re: Laying Haiti's new foundation

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I agree. He was right about one thing though. The corruption has to be rooted out and extinguished. It is so bad in Haiti, that it needs to be the #1 priority.

    My wife goes to Haiti 1 or 2 times a year, or has for the last 3 years or so. The stories are amazing at how corrupt the place is. It is not isolated pockets either, it is rampant among anyone who is anyone there. I know that is a blanket statement, but in the case of Haiti, it makes Nigeria look like a wellspring of honesty.
    What I find odd is that this goes for both countries on Hispaniola. I've heard horror stories of people being hustled in Haiti, going over to Santo Domingo and getting hustled there too. Trujillo and the Duvaliers left long legacies of corruption in those islands. It almost seems like it is a characteristic of both sides. I think it is worse in Haiti but the Dominican Republic is sort of like it's slightly better brother.
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    Re: Laying Haiti's new foundation

    That type of change will have to come from within, not gonna happen.....

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    Re: Laying Haiti's new foundation

    Sean Penn actually said something nice about our military, and spoke specifically about the 82nd Airborne. A broken clock is correct twice a day. Anyway, it was a nice change.
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    Re: Laying Haiti's new foundation

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What I find odd is that this goes for both countries on Hispaniola. I've heard horror stories of people being hustled in Haiti, going over to Santo Domingo and getting hustled there too. Trujillo and the Duvaliers left long legacies of corruption in those islands. It almost seems like it is a characteristic of both sides. I think it is worse in Haiti but the Dominican Republic is sort of like it's slightly better brother.
    Yes and no. Corruption in the Dominican republic is like what you would find in any 3rd world country. Haiti takes it to a whole new level. I am not talking just government, it filters down to the people in a very bad way.

    The Western powers taught the Haitian people how to exploit their fellow man far to well.
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