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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Unless I'm mistaken, the filibuster is not law, but rather a Senate Rule.

    In addition, it's pointless to use the number of cloture votes in an attempt to draw any conclusions about the changing perception/use of the filibuster over time. First, the number of votes needed for cloture was 67 until 1975 when it was reduced to 60. Second, the reason the number has fluctuated so wildly in recent years is because whether or not something counts as a technical filibuster depends on whether a Senator brings something up for a procedural vote. Since 99% of the time everyone knows how the vote will turn out, Senators don't make cloture motions that they know will be doomed to failure unless they're doing so for political reasons.

    Think about it - if you were part of the majority and wanted to paint the minority as "obstructionist" in order to score political points, what would you do? You'd take a few dozen bills that you know would never win a cloture vote and bring cloture motions on all of them. They all fail, and BOOM! You've got a ready-made headline: "Obstructionist Minority Filibusters Record Number of Bills."

    The Senate's practice of allowing a "secret hold" largely stems from the Senate's tradition of congeniality. Senators are generally pretty nice to each other, unlike House members, so they cut each other some slack. If anyone really starts abusing it, it can be overruled by a cloture vote, just the same as the filibuster.

    There's nothing wrong with either of these practices.
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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I believe it's a federal law, I've lived in many states and in not a single one could I buy insurance from another state.
    If thats true, than it is stupid. Any insurance company should be able to sell across state lines, as long as that insurance meets the regulations of the state it is selling insurance in.

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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    If thats true, than it is stupid. Any insurance company should be able to sell across state lines, as long as that insurance meets the regulations of the state it is selling insurance in.
    Exactly. You should have lizards with an Australian accent selling health ins, you can save 15% in 15 min......or a stack of money with eyeballs singing some catchy phrase. It is true, health care is not an interstate business.
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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Unless I'm mistaken, the filibuster is not law, but rather a Senate Rule.
    I heard this on the way home from work : Gregory Koger, Explaining The American Filibuster : NPR

    From what this story tells me is that technically they can change the filibuster rule (or any rule) with a 51 vote majority if the proper procedures are followed. Personally I hope they don't because while they will get what they want passed, so will the conservatives, causing wild swings in legislation. The filibuster, while abused, does provide some stability.

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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    If thats true, than it is stupid. Any insurance company should be able to sell across state lines, as long as that insurance meets the regulations of the state it is selling insurance in.
    That's part of the issue. Insurance conpanies are licensed in states because of the laws in that state. An IL company would need to write its policy to follow all of the law of all of the states in sells insurance into. This may be impossible.

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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    That's part of the issue. Insurance conpanies are licensed in states because of the laws in that state. An IL company would need to write its policy to follow all of the law of all of the states in sells insurance into. This may be impossible.
    What, they write a policy for Maine, they sell a similar but compliant policy in Arizona...they pool the premiums and reduce the risk, and wind up competing with all the other insurance companies, which in a free market means the consumer pays less.

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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I heard this on the way home from work : Gregory Koger, Explaining The American Filibuster : NPR

    From what this story tells me is that technically they can change the filibuster rule (or any rule) with a 51 vote majority if the proper procedures are followed. Personally I hope they don't because while they will get what they want passed, so will the conservatives, causing wild swings in legislation. The filibuster, while abused, does provide some stability.
    I hate that because if that's true, wtf is a filibuster there for anyway? Is it like one of those artificial 'protections' that make people feel good but really don't do ****? like a debt ceiling?

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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I heard this on the way home from work : Gregory Koger, Explaining The American Filibuster : NPR

    From what this story tells me is that technically they can change the filibuster rule (or any rule) with a 51 vote majority if the proper procedures are followed. Personally I hope they don't because while they will get what they want passed, so will the conservatives, causing wild swings in legislation. The filibuster, while abused, does provide some stability.
    As I understand it, that is basically accurate, and your comment shows why it is highly unlikely that the rules will be changed. Sooner or later, republicans will take control of the senate again, and if democrats enact this rule change, then it will be, at that point, hurting them. Most realize this, and that is why I can find no evidence of much support for this proposal, which despite the misleading comments of a few, does not appear to be the desire of democrats in general.
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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    That's part of the issue. Insurance conpanies are licensed in states because of the laws in that state. An IL company would need to write its policy to follow all of the law of all of the states in sells insurance into. This may be impossible.
    Than it should be up to the states to get together and try to streamline regulation. The last thing we need is all insurance based out of the state with fewest consumer protections.

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