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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes... and the conditions and stipulations in the contract describe what services can be denied, when they can be denied, and under what conditions.

    Presuming that the service in question falls under those conditions, what's wrong with denying a service that will cause you to lose money? After all, you, the insured, agreed to the terms and conditions of the contract.


    There's no flaw there, except in the idea that people should be forced to provide for others at their own expense.

    So, I ask again:
    Why should YOU have to pay to provide someone ELSE with your goods/services?
    Because you promised it to them, if they agree to pay you so much per month. Jeez.
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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The American system hasn't always worked like this. It's really only been in the last 10-20 years that senators have started filibustering everything under the sun, and it's only been relatively recently that senators could just SAY they are filibustering instead of ACTUALLY filibustering (i.e. continuing to talk indefinitely).
    The polarization of partisan politics has been the cause of the extended use of the filibuster. Before the 1970's, there were disagreements but the two political party's ideology had more common ground to work on. Over the past 30 years the left goes further left, the right goes further right... the filibuster and cloture votes get more use.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Because you promised it to them, if they agree to pay you so much per month. Jeez.
    Read what I said:

    The conditions and stipulations in the contract describe what services can be denied, when they can be denied, and under what conditions.
    So.... no, you haven't promised it to them.

    Thus, I ask again:
    Presuming that the service in question falls under those conditions, what's wrong with denying a service that will cause you to lose money? After all, you, the insured, agreed to the terms and conditions of the contract.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 01-25-10 at 04:35 PM.

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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The polarization of partisan politics has been the cause of the extended use of the filibuster.
    Ya but I think that cuts both ways. Perhaps it's also true that extensive use of the filibuster has been the cause of the polarization of politics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham
    Before the 1970's, there were disagreements but the two political party's ideology had more common ground to work on. Over the past 30 years the left goes further left, the right goes further right... the filibuster and cloture votes get more use.
    Maybe a little bit, but that's due more to the polarization itself than to actual ideological shifts toward more extreme views. For example, the Democratic Senate health care bill is to the right of where Nixon stood on the issue nearly 40 years ago, and Bush's spending policies were well to the left of Carter's.

    In general I'm not opposed to reforming the filibuster. At the very least, there need to be ways to circumvent it as there once was, when it becomes an endurance round with both parties camping out in the Senate as someone stands up and talks for as long as they can. That at least offered the prospect of important legislation passing with majority support.
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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The polarization of partisan politics has been the cause of the extended use of the filibuster. Before the 1970's, there were disagreements but the two political party's ideology had more common ground to work on. Over the past 30 years the left goes further left, the right goes further right... the filibuster and cloture votes get more use.
    It's only become polarized in the last couple of decades or so. Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neil used to bash it out during the day, but after the day was over, they frequently had a beer together.
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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Looks like Democrats are looking for another way to ram their health care bill through Congress. On the surface, it looks like a long shot, since modern Senate rules maintain that 67 votes are needed to change the rules. But there was a Supreme Court ruling in 1892 (US v. Ballin), that made only a simple majority necessary to accomplish it. Things could get really ugly here in the next few months, and possibly another case could be headed for the Supremes to decide.

    Article is here.

    I believe that, while Republicans are in the right at this time, it wasn't long ago (2005) that roles were reversed, and it was Republicans planning the "nuclear option" and Democrats screaming their heads off. The bad news is that Republicans are going to end up looking like hypocrites here, but the good news is so will the Democrats. LOL.

    I also made a post on my blog about this.
    I'd like to point out that the, then republican majority leader, was trying to use the nuclear-option to exclude democrats from Bush Judicial appointees, but then a group of republicans and democrats created a compromise called the "Gang of 14" which was a negotiation between 7 republicans and seven democrats to not use the nuclear-option.

    But ofcourse, that was republicans standing up to the nuclear-option. That was more bipartisan than democrats ever will be.

    Especially now with the whole so-called health care reform thing they wanna use the nuclear-option on. And it's not even judicial nominees, it's the option the democrats use to direct control over our/corp health care system.

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    joke Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    The Dems are making a mistake by doing this for this sorry a** bill, its not worth the hit they will take.
    Secret founding of abortion?

    Secrets crap to give to illegal aliens?

    Forcing people to buy health insurance?

    Secret death penals just like in Britain?

    It's just like single-payer.

    donc, it's perfect for you!!!

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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I do not see any mention of much democratic support, so I doubt this will go very far. It's not a move by democrats in general as best I can tell, but of a few democrats.
    A few politburo democrats in control of many lower inferior democrats.

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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    And I believe this is the very reason Obama & Co. have changed thier stance on rushing the bill. They wish to wait and see if they can change the rules so that they can get it passed.
    What's with you leftists?

    Is this the time you guys finally realize that these bills are nothing but crap in general?

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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by political_debater View Post
    What's with you leftists?

    Is this the time you guys finally realize that these bills are nothing but crap in general?
    Oops, sorry!

    You had a line through the Sickle and Hammer, I just thought that meant something else.

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