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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    I think they should let it die. Healthcare reform, but not this ugly duckling.
    Yea, its very convoluted.
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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Where do I state how it should be? All I am saying that the filibuster as it is today is grinding the US legislative process to a halt on so many fronts because of personal or partisan pives, often totally unrelated to the legislation at hand.

    And because of this I suggest a different form of some kind that cant be used in the manner the filibuster is being used today.

    I have no problem with a temporary block being put on legislation based on the merits of the legislation, but as it stands now we have Senators blocking everything from nominations to legislation based on personal issues often that have nothing to do with the legislation.
    And then there's real issues that shouldn't pass because they're ****ed up socialist trash, like the Messiah's healthcare takeover scam.

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    But regardless the blocking should be temporary
    Why? So the majority trying to harm the nation merely have to wait?

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    That one senator can block critical nominations, legislation is a dictatorship of the minority of one to the extreme.
    Never happened on important legislation yet. When the socialists, ie Democrats, filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Democrat president was able to go outside his party to the Americans to get a work around that ended the filibuster.

    Just because THIS president is soooo incompetent, just because the Democrats are soooo corrupt, and both are soooo arrogant that the people themselves have decided they don't want what the Democrats are selling is not an indictment of process that has served this nation well for over 200 years.

    England worships a Queen, so don't be babbling about how "undemocratic" you think things are in the Land of the Oppostion to Socialism.

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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    Yea, its very convoluted.
    It's not complicated.

    The problem with the health care industry in this country is the government.

    Get the government out of the way, things improve.

    It's true for literature, it's true for whiskey, it's true for sex, why shouldn't that be true for health care?

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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It's not complicated.

    The problem with the health care industry in this country is the government.

    Get the government out of the way, things improve.

    It's true for literature, it's true for whiskey, it's true for sex, why shouldn't that be true for health care?
    que?

    The problem is the profit incentive behind people's health that leads to poor health coverage and sometimes exploitative practices like pre-existing condition denial
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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    I think Harkin et al. are wrong on this one.

    While republicans are abusing the system, changing a rule this like for short term gain has the strong possibility of biting the democrats in the backside when the republicans have a majority. Also since it is obviously motivated for the wrong reasons, I am pretty sure it will be unpopular with the voters.

    I think if anything, they should just change the rule back to the person filibustering is forced to actually filibuster and not simply file a motion.

    Baring that, a filibuster should last at most three months and during that time, politicians should be forced to fly home and hear from their constituents about how they really feel about an issue.

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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    que?

    The problem is the profit incentive behind people's health that leads to poor health coverage and sometimes exploitative practices like pre-existing condition denial
    Profit motives are never a problem. Absolutely no reason a person shouldn't be paid for services rendered.

    What you're failing to see is the lack of competition...enforced by the government which does not allow inurers to operate between states.

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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    que?
    The problem is the profit incentive behind people's health that leads to poor health coverage and sometimes exploitative practices like pre-existing condition denial
    Profit motive is what drives quality and availability of care.
    Take away that and no one will bother getting into the business.

    The solution to the 'problem' is to remove third-party payment and expose everyone to the true costs of health care. This will, through free-market competition, reduce prices, increase quality and improve care.

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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I think Harkin et al. are wrong on this one.
    While republicans are abusing the system...
    How, exactly, is the GOP abusing the fillibuster?

    I think if anything, they should just change the rule back to the person filibustering is forced to actually filibuster and not simply file a motion.
    I've supported this for a long time.

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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Profit motive is what drives quality and availability of care.
    Take away that and no one will bother getting into the business.

    The solution to the 'problem' is to remove third-party payment and expose everyone to the true costs of health care. This will, through free-market competition, reduce prices, increase quality and improve care.
    Profit motive for medicine yes, but for insurance, is arguably a huge farce and waste of time
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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Profit motives are never a problem. Absolutely no reason a person shouldn't be paid for services rendered.

    What you're failing to see is the lack of competition...enforced by the government which does not allow inurers to operate between states.
    Questions. I couldn't find it in google. Does the Federal government not allow this or is it a result of each state having a different regulatory structure?

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