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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    That is the way the American government works.
    Yes that is how it works.. now, but not 20 years or 30 years ago. Back then by all reports filibusters were rare as hell. Now they are almost the norm.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...47_to_2008.jpg

    If this is remotely accurate then it is a massive rise over the last few decades.

    I always get a kick out of Europeans explaining how they think the American government should be.
    Where do I state how it should be? All I am saying that the filibuster as it is today is grinding the US legislative process to a halt on so many fronts because of personal or partisan pives, often totally unrelated to the legislation at hand.

    And because of this I suggest a different form of some kind that cant be used in the manner the filibuster is being used today.

    I have no problem with a temporary block being put on legislation based on the merits of the legislation, but as it stands now we have Senators blocking everything from nominations to legislation based on personal issues often that have nothing to do with the legislation.

    But regardless the blocking should be temporary so that more discussion can be done and maybe a common position found instead of totally blocking a vote on the darn thing.. that is so undemocratic that it is almost sickening. That one senator can block critical nominations, legislation is a dictatorship of the minority of one to the extreme.

    I suppose you want our government to be socialist, and the people subjects like the rest of the Europeans.
    Why do American's always resort to this supposed insult to divert attention away from the topic? pathetic attitude. Every country have different ways of doing things, some good some bad. The filibuster is one of the only bad things I can come up with in the US legislative system. I love the idea of two houses of Congress have to agree on legislation and the principle of getting a bi-partisan support.. we Europeans could learn about that. Often our legislation is very one sided.
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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    The healthcare bill proves the need for the filibuster, because the People did not want it, yet without the threat of filibuster the bill would be law today.
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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Looks like Democrats are looking for another way to ram their health care bill through Congress. On the surface, it looks like a long shot, since modern Senate rules maintain that 67 votes are needed to change the rules. But there was a Supreme Court ruling in 1892 (US v. Ballin), that made only a simple majority necessary to accomplish it. Things could get really ugly here in the next few months, and possibly another case could be headed for the Supremes to decide.

    Article is here.

    I believe that, while Republicans are in the right at this time, it wasn't long ago (2005) that roles were reversed, and it was Republicans planning the "nuclear option" and Democrats screaming their heads off. The bad news is that Republicans are going to end up looking like hypocrites here, but the good news is so will the Democrats. LOL.

    I also made a post on my blog about this.

    I think the dems are going to screw themselves on this.All it does is send the message is that it is okay when we do something but not you,so we are going to change the rules to suit us.Republicans were against the whole filibuster when they were in the majority and the democrats were for it when they were the minority but now roles are reversed. Its just like that **** with Massachusetts it was all good that the people got to replace a leaving senator when a republican(despite being a lib) but when the democrats were in control they seemed to be bothered by the fact the people could pick a replacement. This is one of the reasons why we need to end the two part monopoly.
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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think the dems are going to screw themselves on this.All it does is send the message is that it is okay when we do something but not you,so we are going to change the rules to suit us.Republicans were against the whole filibuster when they were in the majority and the democrats were for it when they were the minority but now roles are reversed. Its just like that **** with Massachusetts it was all good that the people got to replace a leaving senator when a republican(despite being a lib) but when the democrats were in control they seemed to be bothered by the fact the people could pick a replacement. This is one of the reasons why we need to end the two part monopoly.
    Where were the Dems when they shafted Liberman?
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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    I think they should let it die. Healthcare reform, but not this ugly duckling.
    I agree. I hated this health bill. The Democrats sold themselves off and compromised and compromised to get a "filibuster proof" 60 votes...and the result was a watered down POS that had little if anything to do with reform.

    The Democrats would be wise to go back and put together a strong healthcare reform bill with a public option. Personally, I would love to see the Democrats pass a single-payer health bill.

    Let the Republicans and Blue Dogs filibuster it and the American people will understand exactly WHO it was the prevented us from having real healthcare reform in this country.

    I would rather stand and principle and fall.....then compromise and succeed in passing a piece of s--- legislation without principles.
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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Fillibuster reform = changing the rules because we suddenly do not like them.

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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    The only reform the filibuster requires is the restriction that it be applied only to legislative matters, not matters of presidential appointment.

    So what's happening now, basically, is that the losing team can't win under present rules so they're changing the rules in the middle of the game.

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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Personally I think the 60 vote rule is being abused.
    Tell us:
    How is the fillibuester supposed to be used, why is it supposed to be used that way, and how does its current use not qualify?

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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I believe that, while Republicans are in the right at this time, it wasn't long ago (2005) that roles were reversed, and it was Republicans planning the "nuclear option"
    You mean when the Left was filibustering the appointment of American justices to the courts by Bush?

    I don't see where filibusters are justified in that circumstance.

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    Re: Filibuster reform bill headed for Senate floor, faces uphill battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    If they do this just to pass the health care bill, they will lose their majority in November without question. And I think that they know that.
    Hmm...

    Dems pass a change on the fillibuster, precluding its use once they become the minority.

    THEN who will they blame?

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