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    Re: The Christmas attack interrogation

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    No they are not, they are ridiculous. I'm not going to argue this silliness with you.
    It blows your theory from the water..is why.

    Yes, it is consistent.The same people who have been given the Constitutional authority to do it since day one: Congress.
    So...not a domestic authority depending on where?
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: The Christmas attack interrogation

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    They were...until they declared war on the US on September 11, 2001.
    Given Coronado's example then...cause OBL was made CIC in Sept 0f 2001...we had actionable intel enought to kill him under Clinton.

    My question stands. Who decides to use brutality when intel is gathered? No war is declared when Clinton is told he could kill or capture Bin Laden. You cannot wait for Congress to decide the issue.

    Coronado declares it is the Taliban's decision whether we use brutality or not, correct....C?
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: The Christmas attack interrogation

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I would prefer we captured him and properly held him accountable in a court of law for all to see. A man justly convicted says more to all than killing thousands of civilians with little to show for it.
    What you preferrred wasn't what I claimed. I distinctly remember you calling for going in after 9-11 and capturing or killing. And you'd prefer any violence wouldn't be necessary in a capture attempt but then...we both know OBL wouldn't come without a fight and his followers would fanatically defend him...meaning...given your solution, brutality up to and including outright killing would be necessary. And here you are calling on the government in charge making these decision.

    But, you keep skipping the point. Perhaps you know you can't address the point honestly. Afghanistan is occupied. As such, they are not completely sovereign.
    And I'm all over the point, we've moved beyond Afghanistan, JD. In Pakistan...where OBL is now...or so many think....we launch strikes everyday. They involve raw brutality. It is your opinion and that of C's that any sovereign state should make the decision whether brutality is decided upon or not. That we should leave it to the Yemenis to decide whether we respond with brutality after the USS Cole or Christmas bombing. That is the point you're trying to make and you're wrong, both of you.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: The Christmas attack interrogation

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    It blows your theory from the water..is why.
    Bull****. You haven't offered enough of an argument to even blow your own nose.
    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    So...not a domestic authority depending on where?
    No, as force was initiated against us. As I stated upthread, remember?

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    Re: The Christmas attack interrogation

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Coronado declares it is the Taliban's decision whether we use brutality or not, correct....C?
    Would you get your head out of your ass for a minute and read what I wrote?? I never said anything of the sort.

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    rolleyes Re: The Christmas attack interrogation

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    That is the point you're trying to make and you're wrong, both of you.
    Well there we go. I guess we just should stop arguing altogether, as Charles Martel has deemed our opinions to be "wrong".

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    Re: The Christmas attack interrogation

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But that is the problem with intel gathered under torture.
    It's amazing, but true. Even after we point out that ALL intelligence, regardless of soure, MUST be verified independently, people still want to pretend SOME intelligence should be treated as more reliable than others.

    Since they don't understand the issue, since they patently refuse to understand the issue, since they insist instead upon looking at their emotional bias as the only filter to regard the issue, why should anyone waste more than the minimum amount of time needed to determine who they are and then stop discussing that issue with them?

    Answer: No reason at all. Therefore Boo, I shall no longer waste my time responding to your ignorant posts on the matter of intelligence gathering until such time as you demonstrate a more mature approach to a topic you're currently demonstrating ignorance of.

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    Re: The Christmas attack interrogation

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Given Coronado's example then...cause OBL was made CIC in Sept 0f 2001...we had actionable intel enought to kill him under Clinton.

    My question stands. Who decides to use brutality when intel is gathered?
    Answered already.

    The military interrogator in charge.

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    No war is declared when Clinton is told he could kill or capture Bin Laden. You cannot wait for Congress to decide the issue.
    Last time I checked, Clinton not only made no effort to capture bin Laden, ne not only refused the gift of bin Laden when it was offered to him, but he actually called Pakistan to warn bin Laden when he launched his Hide the Lewinsky Press Conference Camel's Ass Attack on his camp in Afghanland.

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    Re: The Christmas attack interrogation

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It's amazing, but true. Even after we point out that ALL intelligence, regardless of soure, MUST be verified independently, people still want to pretend SOME intelligence should be treated as more reliable than others.

    Since they don't understand the issue, since they patently refuse to understand the issue, since they insist instead upon looking at their emotional bias as the only filter to regard the issue, why should anyone waste more than the minimum amount of time needed to determine who they are and then stop discussing that issue with them?

    Answer: No reason at all. Therefore Boo, I shall no longer waste my time responding to your ignorant posts on the matter of intelligence gathering until such time as you demonstrate a more mature approach to a topic you're currently demonstrating ignorance of.
    Translation: If you won't agree with me, I'll take my type and go home.

    But before you go pout, you have not shown I don't understand the issue, or laid out anything logical or factual to dispute anything. Nor have you changed the fact that the overwhelming amount of literature on the subject says torture is unreliable, more unreliable and less effective than other methods. Supporting measures that are neither reliable or effective is not a positive.

    Now you may leave.

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    Re: The Christmas attack interrogation

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    What you preferrred wasn't what I claimed. I distinctly remember you calling for going in after 9-11 and capturing or killing. And you'd prefer any violence wouldn't be necessary in a capture attempt but then...we both know OBL wouldn't come without a fight and his followers would fanatically defend him...meaning...given your solution, brutality up to and including outright killing would be necessary. And here you are calling on the government in charge making these decision.



    And I'm all over the point, we've moved beyond Afghanistan, JD. In Pakistan...where OBL is now...or so many think....we launch strikes everyday. They involve raw brutality. It is your opinion and that of C's that any sovereign state should make the decision whether brutality is decided upon or not. That we should leave it to the Yemenis to decide whether we respond with brutality after the USS Cole or Christmas bombing. That is the point you're trying to make and you're wrong, both of you.
    I don't trust your memory, but notice the word "or". It is not unreasonable to think he might get killed in the effort to capture him.

    Pakistan is sovereign. Not disputed. I only dispute you bring Afghanistan into this as if they were the same. Afghanistan is not completely sovereign; therefore, they are not like Pakistan.

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