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    Homeless veteran who saved 5 in fire laid to rest

    ARLINGTON, Va. Ray Vivier had been an adventurer, a Marine veteran who explored the country from South Carolina to Alaska, the father of five children.


    The 61-year-old also was a man starting to get his life back together after living for years in a shanty beneath a Cleveland bridge. He had struggled with alcoholism, but by November he had a welding job, friends and a place to stay at a boarding house.


    He rescued five people from that house when arsonists set it ablaze but Vivier couldn't save himself. He and three others died, and two people have been charged in their deaths. Vivier's body, unclaimed and unidentified for weeks, seemed destined for an anonymous, modest burial.


    However, Jody Fesco who met Vivier while she was volunteering at a soup kitchen and had even invited him to her wedding heard that Vivier may have died. Fesco and her husband contacted their friend Haraz Ghanbari, an Associated Press photographer, about the situation. Ghanbari took the lead to make sure Vivier wasn't forgotten, tracking down the family members and arranging a proper funeral.


    On Friday, Vivier's ashes were inurned at Arlington National Cemetery with full military honors.

    He saved 5 people, but lost his life trying to save more. When people see a homeless man living under a bridge, they tend to think of him as "just a bum". I hope this post dispels any notion of that. The homeless may look unwashed, but many do have honor. Some of the more wealthy and "comfortable" among us, from what was once Enron, might want to take a look at this man, should they believe they need a role model. Everybody dies, but not everyone lives good. If I believe in a just God, then I also have to believe that this homeless man will receive orders of magnitude more rewards in the afterlife than some others among us.

    But I am talking around the Q here. The point I am making is that you cannot judge a book by its cover - An old adage that is also timeless.

    Article is here.
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    Re: Homeless veteran who saved 5 in fire laid to rest

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    He saved 5 people, but lost his life trying to save more. When people see a homeless man living under a bridge, they tend to think of him as "just a bum". I hope this post dispels any notion of that. The homeless may look unwashed, but many do have honor. Some of the more wealthy and "comfortable" among us, from what was once Enron, might want to take a look at this man, should they believe they need a role model. Everybody dies, but not everyone lives good. If I believe in a just God, then I also have to believe that this homeless man will receive orders of magnitude more rewards in the afterlife than some others among us.

    But I am talking around the Q here. The point I am making is that you cannot judge a book by its cover - An old adage that is also timeless.

    Article is here.


    I am fascinated by news like this. I remember a few years ago there was a Homeless man who saved a guy from drowning.

    i bet these people will never think twice about the good will people are capable of. To be considered inane and still save lives-- Must be real psychologically fuxed up
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    Re: Homeless veteran who saved 5 in fire laid to rest

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    He saved 5 people, but lost his life trying to save more. When people see a homeless man living under a bridge, they tend to think of him as "just a bum". I hope this post dispels any notion of that. The homeless may look unwashed, but many do have honor. Some of the more wealthy and "comfortable" among us, from what was once Enron, might want to take a look at this man, should they believe they need a role model. Everybody dies, but not everyone lives good. If I believe in a just God, then I also have to believe that this homeless man will receive orders of magnitude more rewards in the afterlife than some others among us.

    But I am talking around the Q here. The point I am making is that you cannot judge a book by its cover - An old adage that is also timeless.

    Article is here.
    It's been my experience that the poor are more willing to stick their necks out in bad situations to help others, because they have less to lose. Having more makes people more selfish. (This isn't universal, obviously.)

    When a lot of people look at the homeless, they don't see them as people with a history, with life experience, with values or morals. They just see them as less than. It's sad what consumerism has done to us as a society.

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    Re: Homeless veteran who saved 5 in fire laid to rest

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    He saved 5 people, but lost his life trying to save more. When people see a homeless man living under a bridge, they tend to think of him as "just a bum". I hope this post dispels any notion of that. The homeless may look unwashed, but many do have honor. Some of the more wealthy and "comfortable" among us, from what was once Enron, might want to take a look at this man, should they believe they need a role model. Everybody dies, but not everyone lives good. If I believe in a just God, then I also have to believe that this homeless man will receive orders of magnitude more rewards in the afterlife than some others among us.

    But I am talking around the Q here. The point I am making is that you cannot judge a book by its cover - An old adage that is also timeless.

    Article is here.
    may he rest in peace.

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    Re: Homeless veteran who saved 5 in fire laid to rest

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    He saved 5 people, but lost his life trying to save more. When people see a homeless man living under a bridge, they tend to think of him as "just a bum". I hope this post dispels any notion of that. The homeless may look unwashed, but many do have honor. Some of the more wealthy and "comfortable" among us, from what was once Enron, might want to take a look at this man, should they believe they need a role model. Everybody dies, but not everyone lives good. If I believe in a just God, then I also have to believe that this homeless man will receive orders of magnitude more rewards in the afterlife than some others among us.

    But I am talking around the Q here. The point I am making is that you cannot judge a book by its cover - An old adage that is also timeless.

    Article is here.
    It might dispel the notion that they're not all bums, but most of them still are. Ask any social worker that's been out working with them. My ex-wife did, and said most of them are.
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