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    Re: Justice task force recommends about 50 Guantanamo detainees be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Where are we gonna keep these prisoners?
    It seems likely they will be incarcerated at the Thompson Correctional Center. The TCC is an under-utilized Illinois Department of Corrections adult male Level 1 maximum security prison located just north of rural Thomson, Illinois. It was recently purchased by the Federal government.

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    Re: Justice task force recommends about 50 Guantanamo detainees be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    Who cares?
    This tax paying American citizen.

    We have 1.5 million people in federal prison, 50 more isn't going to change anything.
    None of them is an enemy combatant captured abroad by our US military, you...do see the difference? Otherwise, the 100,000 troops surging in Afghanistan right now and capturing prisoners will have to be processed and then your "50 more" is alot more and then that's going to change everything.

    27% of our prisoners are already non-citizens. We have Supermax facilities that have never been escaped from. As far as I know, none of them have a bad international reputation. Pick one.
    Cause....international reputation a serious consideration when imprisoning enemy combatants. The 27% aren't enemy combatants....or prisoners of war.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: Justice task force recommends about 50 Guantanamo detainees be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    It seems likely they will be incarcerated at the Thompson Correctional Center. The TCC is an under-utilized Illinois Department of Corrections adult male Level 1 maximum security prison located just north of rural Thomson, Illinois. It was recently purchased by the Federal government.
    Yes, spending millions and millions more to answer all of the questions Gitmo solved years ago. And your picture reveals lots of space for massive demonstrations....should this prison become a beacon of injustice or in Tsunami's words....get a "bad reputation."

    Cause...despite it's "bad reputation"....Gitmo is an absolute stroke of genius. Impossible to escape. Demonstrations cannot occur, Oprah cannot set up a TV feed from Gitmo. Keith and Rachael can't camp in Cuba. It's under military jurisdiction. We can hold military tribunals, house and feed the expanding prisoners expected for this necessary war on evil. We can carry out water therapy classes and nasal cleaning benefits for those incarcerated. Interrogate, imprison, bring to trial, and if necessary, execute sentences.

    And every day that goes by more and more people realize the genius of Gitmo. The "let's just leave them where they are" just makes so much sense. We don't have the money to build and maintain a new prison. We don't want a beacon where political or other interests can legally demonstrate and turn the place into an actual bad reputation endeavor. We don't want these men on US soil, there is absolutely no reason for it.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: Justice task force recommends about 50 Guantanamo detainees be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    If the slogan was good, that means the reputation of the place was bad. So if shutting down the place is good for public relations, and we can still keep the prisoners, why not do it?
    Who says the slogan was "good"? It obviously doesn't jibe with reality.
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    Re: Justice task force recommends about 50 Guantanamo detainees be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And why do you think the reputation of Guantanamo was so bad?

    Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com
    Yes. It wasn't because it was at Gitmo. Holding them anywhere else is just as much of an injustice if holding them at Gitmo ever was.
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    Re: Justice task force recommends about 50 Guantanamo detainees be held indefinitely

    All of the denuded land in the picture belongs to the prison facility. Not even a blade of grass to hide behind. No one can either approach nor leave unobserved. This is a supermax facility comprised of 1,600 cells and eight housing units. The facility also has a 200-bed minimum-security unit. The facility is 146 acres and consists of 15 buildings, totaling 625,000 square feet. Construction in the cell houses is pre-cast reinforced cement walls. The facility is enclosed by a 12-foot exterior fence and 15-foot interior fence which includes a dual sided electric stun fence. The guard towers on each side are situated to provide an unobstructed view of the no-mans-land between perimeter fences. Each wing (the X structures) is self-contained and insulated from the other wings. Inmates are monitored under constant armed and electronic surveillance. I don't believe a prisoner has ever escaped from any Level 1 supermax facility.

    From what I understand, the prison will be staffed by corrections officers rather than military personnel. Interrogations will not occur at the TCC. The prison facility will be utilized strictly for incarceration purposes.

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    Re: Justice task force recommends about 50 Guantanamo detainees be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    This tax paying American citizen.

    None of them is an enemy combatant captured abroad by our US military, you...do see the difference? Otherwise, the 100,000 troops surging in Afghanistan right now and capturing prisoners will have to be processed and then your "50 more" is alot more and then that's going to change everything.

    Cause....international reputation a serious consideration when imprisoning enemy combatants. The 27% aren't enemy combatants....or prisoners of war.
    We aren't fighting an army. That makes them not enemy combatants, and this not a war.
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    Re: Justice task force recommends about 50 Guantanamo detainees be held indefinitely

    Apparently Gitmo is good enough for Haitians and Marines, but not terrorists.
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    Re: Justice task force recommends about 50 Guantanamo detainees be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    If the slogan was good, that means the reputation of the place was bad. So if shutting down the place is good for public relations, and we can still keep the prisoners, why not do it?
    because bringing to the mainland and to Illinois, will now make the prison in that state a target or the surrounding area. It also cost the taxpayers many more millions for security not only in housing but also transportation and security fee's in relations to all the processing that will be involved.

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    Re: Justice task force recommends about 50 Guantanamo detainees be held indefinitely

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    We aren't fighting an army. That makes them not enemy combatants, and this not a war.
    Actually, no; we're fighting textbook war criminals.
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